Workin' Socially!
I wouldn't say he got off "scott free" he has to live with what happened for the rest of his life. From some of the comments I read from him - he is full of horror about his actions.Originally Posted by kerryg
I must admit I was surprised though. I thought he would have got convicted, I'm not sure that's it's not a dangerous precedent to set.
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Forum whore
This is scary. We have abortion on demand and euthanasia knocking on the door.......I am 40 somthin so I guess my time is up because with the government current record things will happen so fast the law will order you dead when you are 50 because it can.
I will not judge this man but shit happens and when you kill it is for ever. If you are called to look after children or adults, for that matter, who have severe disabilities or need help 24/7 you have to do it. This country needs more support for the caregivers. We need to look after our own better. Life is sacred. I know .I have seen murder first hand and the hole it leaves is far worse than the situation it was suppose to fix...................
Dis Tent Rider
Weren't there medical staff involved that allowed this situation to arrive to this inevitable conclusion?
With how much vigor did the "crown" present its case?
Cases like this one of the parents usually ends up topping themselves or they split and head into their own respective . . .
Must go faster - but how?
To try and answer KerryG's original question, yes.
It has been OK for quite some time now to kill our most defenceless citizens???...where does this lead us??? Please tell me I'm not alone in being alarmed by this.
The old, terminally ill, incurable and 'just-ready-tp-die' have been quietly bumped off for ages.
Starting back in the caveman days when the slow and feeble were probably just left behind to die like animals do, we as a society have taken pity on those less able and now put them in rest homes on morphine drips or palliative care where they can die in a more peaceful way.
It doesn't mean these people aren't loved, cared for or respected for anymore, just their time has run out, and we try to do the best for them.
Just what 'the best thing' is differs with beliefs etc, but I think most people would want the same thing done to them if roles were reversed.
Emotions are difficult things, and untill it is you personally involved, you wont know just how it feels.
I hold no grudges with those who choose abortion, raise a severly disabled child, deny resuscitation to an loved one, or deny consent for a surgical procedure. It's a tough call to make.
What this guy did would have been done by any doctor/midwife/whatever they were 100 years ago.
At this point in time, in the country we live in, some people just see another option, that's all.
Was it right or wrong? Sorry, I wasn't there, can't really answer that one
Slower than Ixion
Was very tempted to steer clear of this thread. But having seen how other issues/threads have been handled on these forums I thought I'd have a delecate look.
On the topic of setting a precidence(sp?). It does not. The way I've come to understand it is the jury used an option that has always been available to them, and that is to show leniency(sp?) - damn firefox needs a spellchecker - due to the curcumstances and details which only they were privy to.
As for the media wanting the name supression lifted, I am dead set against this. There is nothing I can think of to justify it's lifting. He's been aquitted, meaning in the eyes of the law he is innocent. To subject him and worse, his family to the not so subtle barrage that would ensue if lifted would cause unnecessary harm IMHO.
As for what he did. I ain't even touching that with somebody elses barge pole. It's pretty telling though when the Police say their happy with the verdict, and they only brought the charges because they "had to".
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Forum whore
I FEEL FOR THIS FAMILY BUT THIS VERDICT SETS A VERY DANGEROUS PRECIDENT (HOPE I SPELT IT RIGHT). WHATS NEXT SOMEONE KILLS THEIR BABY THATS JUST NOT QUITE AS BAD AS THAT ONE WHAT WOULD THE VERDICT BE ? THERE IS NO WRONG AND RIGHT TIME TO KILL A HUMAN NO MATTER HOW DISABLED
Hardcore Biker
I thought this was a motorcycle web site , As far as Im concerned the jury had a hard job to do and there decision is final and that is it. Lets keep this site to motorcycle issues ONLY. Cheers Toddy
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I couldn't belive it. The prick amitted it? :spudwhat: I mean WTF? shitty leftie PC society, makes me sick
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Must go faster - but how?
Easy tiger.......
This is advertised as a motorbike site, but what's wrong with discussing other topics of interest?
IMHO it just adds to the flavour of the site.
Workin' Socially!
It's a site for people mate but, possibly this thread should've been posted under the "rave on' section b/c it's not about motorbikes. Ah well, it's all good discussion anyway, don't read it if ya don't like it mate.
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Practising the art of zen
I agree that we should care for those who need it. However, I had an Oma with alzheimers disease, and seeing the quality of life deteriorate so far that she couldnt function as a human but rather as a slightly oversized newborn baby. She had seen her own mother go the same way with alzheimers, and had stated many times while she was sane that she didnt want to go that way. We, as a family, explored the options for voluntary euthanasia both here and in Holland. The thing was, even though she had communicated her wishes years earlier, the doctors could not go through with the procedure because she was judged not to be sound of mind, and hence could not be relied on for her consent. Thankfully she passed peacefully and relatively soon - about 4 years after the initial diagnosis of the disease.
For me personally, seeing someone who I had known as a lively, vibrant person transform into what she did was harrowing. At times such as her 50th wedding anniversary, it was shocking just how far she had deteriorated. She walked up to Opa and said: "who might you be?"
"I am your husband. This is our 50th wedding anniversary"
"Nice to meet you..."
She would lock the door after going into the toilet - while she still had control of her bladder - and not be able to get out for ages, scratching/knocking on the door and calling out for people to open the door for her.
This can hardly be called life... surely...
Similarly I am pro choice on abortion. I dont believe that is ethical or morally right to bring a child into an environment where he/she cannot be supported or given the best possible oppurtunity at living life. In addition, the sheer reproductive capacity of humans is unlikely to mean that this foetus is the only chance for a child that the couple will get. If abortion is to be illegal, one could interpolate to make masturbation a minor offence - say a $150 fine - and protected sex a slightly more serious charge, deserving of a court hearing... "ooo you denied that egg a chance at becoming a foetus. You murderer by association, you!!!"
Hardcore Biker
You didn't have to visit this topic, theres plenty of other threads on this site that clearly state motorcycle issues only. Some of us motorcyclists in here
actually have other intellectual interests in life as well as bikes you know.
Hardcore Biker
i wouldnt say he "got off".my heart goes out to the family involved.
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I'd rather be thinking
Quite right. We are a community (in cyberspace, at least), brought together by an interest in bikes, but not limited by that interest. The opportunity to share our opinions and beliefs on a range of other topics is valuable and, I'm sure, appreciated by most on this site.
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on the up
Tell you what Toddy - read the top of the page. This is a site for New Zealand motorcyclists, and, like it or not, New Zealand motorcyclists eat, drink, sleep, fuck, die, and have opinions about what happens in all aspects of society, not just talking about motorcycles. Believe it or not, motorcycling is just one part in my life.
Kerryg - my comment about whether you were a parent - I asked that as I feel that only a parent can understand that fear about "will my child be okay". And yes, I feel you are qualified to comment. I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
This is obviously one of those subject which is highly contentious, and that is just how it should be. I would be very concerned if it wasn't.
Anyway, I've made my feelings clear; don't feel I really need to add more.
As you were...
And I to my motorcycle parked like the soul of the junkyard. Restored, a bicycle fleshed with power, and tore off. Up Highway 106 continually drunk on the wind in my mouth. Wringing the handlebar for speed, wild to be wreckage forever.
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