I binned. Lesson of the Day...

[Jimmy B]

Hey Bomma,

For my part I was not contributing to any inference that you may have been riding carelessly. If it came across that way then it was not meant to.

My point was to highlight the fact that the police will consider careless driving in any accident and being charged is a distinct possibility if it looks as though the rider did not exhibit reasonable care. And lets face it, in most circumstances riding off the road looks pretty dumb. A CD charge would be the last thing anyone would want especially if the bike is facing expensive repair ie no insurance if the charge is upheld.

I hoped that people would take this on board as another dimension to the fact that binning is to be avoided and the risk can be minimised if the rider gets along sensibly. In this light, should the worst come to pass then they can hopefully put their hand up and say they did everything that was reasonable under the circumstances and that’s one less thing to worry about.

BTW I understand from a reliable source that you are a very capable rider. Glad you’re OK.

[Qkkid]

You're kinda missing the point that 'too fast' is almost always dependent on the rider.

What feels crazy-fast to one person and goes beyond their ability to ride within an OODA loop could be a lazy cruising pace to someone else, with all upcoming hazards easily identifiable and able to be compensated for.

My best guess is that bomma was riding too quickly for his own cognitive loop to keep up. That doesn't mean that it was beyond the bounds of physics for his motorcycle to go around the corner safely at that pace.

Personally, I find it comforting to know that, on a bike, I'm the weakest link - I know myself and know when I'm not feeling good, so I can slow down. The bike and the road are known factors. If I screw up, I learn where not to go in future in terms of pushing my processing abilities.

Havin a binn can sometimes be the best thing to happen to you, particularly when you get to walk away from it nearly unscathed
We all should always remember even the great riders binn,and some even die. So thank your lucky stars learn from it.
Its been 2yrs 1 week for me and i hope i keep it that way

[howdamnhard]

Yep been there,done that.Hit that pole dead centre,glad my fullface helmet did its job.If I see a rock or anything I don't want to hit I look away to where I want to go and hopefully don't hit it.Glad your OK Bomma and learned from it.

Sounds suspiciously like very long way of saying target fixation.

[Badjelly]

Glad your OK Bomma and learned from it.

Yeah, me too.

[Macstar]

Wow, I didn't realise that a CD charge could jeapordise your insurance payout.

[Badjelly]

Wow, I didn't realise that a CD charge could jeapordise your insurance payout.

Me neither. That's really kicking you when you're down.

[Jimmy B]

Wow, I didn't realise that a CD charge could jeapordise your insurance payout.

Gidday mate,

Could vary but in the main yes a claim for damage resulting from CD would likely be refused. I certanly know this is the case for rental cars and is spelled out in the terms and conditions.

[bomma]

From the youthlaw website:

"If you drive without reasonable consideration for other people or you fail to drive with the care and attention that a reasonable and sensible driver would exercise in the circumstance you will be driving carelessly. This may relate to excess speed, failing to make the proper signals and observe other road rules. It may also relate to not driving in a way that suits the driving conditions (e.g. weather, road surface, traffic flow, light conditions). Remember this now includes skateboarders, roller skaters and roller bladers".

man thats so dumb!!! it sucks that so much of the law is open to interpretation......what is "reasonable"?? and in my case what is excess speed?? the corner wasnt sign posted and the speed limit in the area is 100kph.....but then i wasnt doing anywhere near the speed limit but still managed to go over....and driving conditions?? was a sunny day and the road was mostly clear and well sealed....man wudda sucked if the cop booked me for CD....im glad Macstar shut up when he did

[Badjelly]

It sucks that so much of the law is open to interpretation

And the alternative is?

[Chrislost]

im not the kind of guy who goes around every corner looking to get his knee down....if im not comfortable with something i dont try to silence the "be careful" voice and will take it easy.....in this instance i saw the rock very late, having seen macstar go through the corner i spared no thought to think that we would be taking different lines and assumed that there were no potential hazards in the line I would be taking and thus took the corner faster than i would if there was nobody in front of me.....

perhaps all you did was make the mistake of watching the bike infront?
Never watch other bikes that are going the same way in you lane, always watch oncoming, and the road as far ahead as ya can see...
let the preferal vision take care of the guys that are with you... or somthing, but dont pay them too much atention unless you _KNOW_ theres nothign on the road thats going to do you over...

or take it to the track! (dam thats expensive tho, group booking anyone??)

[bomma]

And the alternative is?

unfortunately there isnt one.......just sayin that it sucks......well i guess it means that its open to interpretation both ways so thats always a bonus

[bomma]

perhaps all you did was make the mistake of watching the bike infront?
Never watch other bikes that are going the same way in you lane, always watch oncoming, and the road as far ahead as ya can see...
let the preferal vision take care of the guys that are with you... or somthing, but dont pay them too much atention unless you _KNOW_ theres nothign on the road thats going to do you over...

hehe yea nah man i dont usually watch the bike in front other than just noticing what the person is doing.....what i meant was that macstar was in front and i noticed that he made it through without trouble or incident.....

or take it to the track! (dam thats expensive tho, group booking anyone??)

who knows if i get the bike back i might even convert it and stick to the track i heard the ladies cudnt get enuff of you after you came 3rd in the post classics chris guess it wasnt just your bike u were riding

[Squiggles]

i heard the ladies cudnt get enuff of you after you came 3rd in the post classics chris guess it wasnt just your bike u were riding

Women need male friends who dont want to get into their pants

[ital916]

Women need male friends who dont want to get into their pants

......have a tui *jokes*

[HungusMaximist]

Women like male friends who want to get into their pants

Yep, I agree.