I binned. Lesson of the Day...

[Squiggles]

I always ride so I can stop within the visible clear distance ahead. Fucking crazy not too.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...72&postcount=5

Its hard for a few of you to understand because you get on a bike and there is no other way for you to ride it but too fast. All you can do is justify your fast riding pace and how everyone bins bla bla bla.

Please stop with the stereotyping! I own a tl1000, yes its a big bike, but that does not mean i ride it fast at all, or bin it. I see the words "few" and "most" are creeping in again, i must be an exception to this broad generalisation of youths/sportsbike riders/riders in general.

My first 25000km of riding was on a low powered GN exploring the West Coast of the Waikato. Hazards every couple of Kms on some of the roads and thats no exaggeration. In the space of 5kms out of Marokopa I encountered an Emu on one corner, followed by sheep, a pukeko which flew out from the side, a pig and a heap of rocks near the quarry, all of which I had to avoid. But wicked riding and none of it was to quick that I couldn't avoid the hazards. A few thousand Ks on gravel also helps you to have a healthy respect for the bike.

the point of this seems to be power and respect for the bike, and the suggestion is that we have too much power and not enough respect? clarification please

Thing I get out of these threads is the reality check that should have occurred doesn't, because the majority that post it up, can't accept that the speed into the corner was the mistake. They are looking for their riding buddies to help out with some posts of support, whom of course have to because they are all riding the same way - too bloody fast. IMHO

Are you sure? We're not a forum club like club 250, we just have a forum here, and what is posted does not necessarily reflect any support/condemnation for anybodys actions. For example, EJ has been given much shit for his knee down antics, but i dont think i've even posted in a thread with it in. On the other hand we have this thread, take a look at how much acceptance & support there is for what happened there.


At the end of the day, Nish came off his bike while cornering. I'm sure there is an endless number of things that could have been done differently to prevent him falling off, and like ixion said, shear speed may not have been one of them. I am glad Nish has come away unscathed, and hope he will work out exactly what was going through his head when he took that corner, then force himself to take a different action should the situation arise again. I believe he will do this, having known him for a while now.
Meet us before you judge us, rather than doing the easy and tossing us in the skidmark basket

p.s. the first quote is just to point out that nobody is perfect, and while your posts alludes to you being so, that post contradicts it. "....so he can laugh at me when i do" is a worrying way to look at binning, but i think that was just a slip of the tongue in text

[bomma]

I always ride so I can stop within the visible clear distance ahead. Fucking crazy not too.

As for corner speeds - if you are doing the above when you ride, then the corner speed posted by Transit is irrelevant, although a corner sign helps me to identify a hazard which is the approaching corner that Transit deems worthy of a sign.

Riding too fast and speeding are two different things just as I see binning and an accident as two different things on a bike. Doing 120km/hr on a straight bit of road with no identifying hazards is of course speeding and no doubt still a risk and increases the chances of serious injury in the case of a crash. Taking that speed into a 50km/hr corner you cannot see through is riding too fast. IMHO

I don't drive my car or my truck like I am on a closed circuit track and just because I am on a bike I don't have the attitude that I need to ride fast. In fact its the opposite. Of all the modes of transport I take my motorbike would be the one I respect the most because of the bin factor associated with cornering too fast and not seeing things lying on the road.

Its hard for a few of you to understand because you get on a bike and there is no other way for you to ride it but too fast. All you can do is justify your fast riding pace and how everyone bins bla bla bla.

My first 25000km of riding was on a low powered GN exploring the West Coast of the Waikato. Hazards every couple of Kms on some of the roads and thats no exaggeration. In the space of 5kms out of Marokopa I encountered an Emu on one corner, followed by sheep, a pukeko which flew out from the side, a pig and a heap of rocks near the quarry, all of which I had to avoid. But wicked riding and none of it was to quick that I couldn't avoid the hazards. A few thousand Ks on gravel also helps you to have a healthy respect for the bike.

Just spent last month commuting back from the top of the Coromandel to Hamilton, gravel, stones, shit roads, animals, cars, you name it I was prepared for it. Met a lot of bikers doing the Coro Loop. Can see why so many bin, only thing on a lot of the speedsters minds was making the corner like someone on the track, probably little attention to what's around the corner based on the speed they hitting them.

Thing I get out of these threads is the reality check that should have occurred doesn't, because the majority that post it up, can't accept that the speed into the corner was the mistake. They are looking for their riding buddies to help out with some posts of support, whom of course have to because they are all riding the same way - too bloody fast. IMHO

lol funny thing is that people like yourself are so caught up being self-righteous they wont ever be moved from their stance.....i doubt you'll give up your random ranting till i RE-admit something that ive already agreed to....as said by myself earlier, and quoted by squiggles, it is obvious that speed was a factor and that if i had been going slower this bin may have been avoidable....

there are somethings about your argument that i dont agree with however.....

1) as said by drider squiggles is a very responsible rider (support about the riders skill from his mates) i dont expect someone like you to understand that there are such things as RESPONSIBLE teens....i know its crazy, sounds about as real as santa clause and the toothfairy, but they ACTUALLY exist!!!

2) i dont need you to tell me that bins are avoidable and that they are usually the cause of rider error.....ummm have you read the first post??

3) "blah blah blah saying the accident was unavoidable blah blah blah" - again i refer you to the first post.....

4) your reference to road hazards is quite right, there are a lot of road hazards to be encountered on new zealand roads out on the open road and caution should be taken.....im sure ive posted this before but if im not comfortable with anything ill take it easy....its just the way i am.....

but at the end of the day, i have nothing to prove to you nor anyone else....i binned, i know i fucked up, im immeasurably grateful that i have come away as lightly as i have and having identified what i did wrong i am better for it. i thank you for your post and your strong belief that speed is in fact the only factor that is the cause of "most" bins. I know that our views clash on this matter but it is a matter of perception. I congratulate you on your immense riding capacity, patience and hazard identification skills. Keep safe and ride well.

[HTFU]

Keep safe and ride well.

I hear ya my fast riding motorcycling brudda from unudda mudda and fudda. See if on your next ride you can ride to survive, rather than suicide, you might surprise yourself and still enjoy it without the pushing it.

Out.

[carver]

to you perhaps.
me personally, i think the fastest bin wins.

nice, almost lost it at 230k in the wet once!
shoulda tried harder.
id bling ya if i wasn't so infractioned

[Chrislost]

almost just dosn't cut it...
see i once almost scored with my teacher, but then i realised that she had said fuck off, not fuck yea...

[HTFU]

nice, almost lost it at 230k in the wet once!
shoulda tried harder.
id bling ya if i wasn't so infractioned

The legend returns.

[Phurrball]

(snip) See if on your next ride you can ride to survive, rather than suicide, you might surprise yourself and still enjoy it without the pushing it.

Out.

You seem to be inferring a whole lot about a person's riding from a woefully incomplete picture comprising a few hundred words (at most) on an internet forum and no IRL experiences as others have already pointed out.

Some of us in the AUSMC aren't in our teens. I for one am an the cusp of your own wise old age - and I respect the experience and skills of some of the younger fullas because I know them and have ridden with them.

Some of the club many years my junior have riding skills that would put me to shame, and im not that much of a n00b, with 3 years, a full licence and 20000KM under my belt.

There's some suprisingly wise heads on young shoulders in the club (not all, mind you) If they were a pack of loons, I wouldn't be riding with them. I've seen *far* scarier antics on the ATNR from folks with a quite a few years more experience than most of the AUSMC.

As always, feel free to comment, but take care when you extrapolate from incomplete data lest others draw similarly incomplete conclusions from your prose.

[HTFU]

You seem to be inferring a whole lot about a person's riding from a woefully incomplete picture comprising a few hundred words (at most) on an internet forum and no IRL experiences as others have already pointed out.

Ridden the coro loop with some of them in a 250 ride. Read quite the number of threads of bins by them. Just had some really positive PM messages with a few of them over this thread. But as you were hanging out with the young people Bloody adult students.

[Macstar]

Ridden the coro loop with some of them in a 250 ride. Read quite the number of threads of bins by them. Just had some really positive PM messages with a few of them over this thread. But as you were hanging out with the young people Bloody adult students.

Yeah, there's a few munters, a majority of normal - but learning riders, and several experienced and mature riders. The club has a lot of non-affiliated 'friends' that often come on rides as well - and have their share of bins... Not fair to lump them all together but I will agree that crash rates are a concern (of mine anyway), and a few initiatives were launched at the end of last year to combat this. Unfortunately, I graduated last year and don't have the time now to organise the mentor rides and the RRRS programme - though I believe there's plans for this once uni starts again in a few weeks.

You commented on how cliche the report of the binning process is earlier HTFU - well I'm sorry to say, but the cliche 'slap in the face' response has also been made in the past too. I understand the frustration though when I/we read of repeated bins. My approach has been to try and do something about it though rather than exchanging insults.

If you are an experienced and competent rider maybe you can offer your time to take some of the learners for a cruise sometime (or since you're in the Waikato, meet them on the loop?).

I dunno about you, but if I ever hear of a serious injury/death from a bin of someone I know (touch wood big time), I'd rather be able to say that I had tried to pass on some skills to that person, than a spiteful post saying "I told you that guy would wind up as he has..."

In other words, redirect your frustration to something useful!

[Macstar]

BTW: that message isn't just for HTFU - it's for any biker that genuinely wants to help other bikers.

[HTFU]

I'd rather be able to say that I had tried to pass on some skills to that person, than a spiteful post saying "I told you that guy would wind up as he has..."

In other words, redirect your frustration to something useful!

All good.

Just this bit here - my take is I use KB for various reasons, entertainment, information, pass a bit of time etc.

So no spite in what I spit (type) on here, but I am focused more on the posting of the binning and the way that the group of riders associated with the bin tend to shy away from the cold hard facts that they are doing risky stuff. Generally I won't be riding with them to give my advice so best I can do is create a bit of debate on here about the whole post it up buzz and pat ourselves on the back responses on how lucky..., how its a surprise he binned because he is such a good rider etc etc, when I and others know most of the time why the bin really happened.

Its typical of our PC culture, no one wants to really say what they think about it and I believe this all adds to the same mistakes being made over and over. New bunch of riders joins the group each year and bingo something to prove and "hey look a safe, friendly public forum, just the ticket to show everyone how good we are getting at this throw a motorbike around a corner thing".

It was the same with the knee down craze a few of young Aucklanders went through a while back. The few posts saying cut the crap got flammed and then when it went to shit, the binner and friends defended their riding habits to the death (so to speak).

I have never said I told you they would bin but have had someone post they will laugh when I crash (sad sad mental person, you know who you are - HTFU). Don't wish that on anyone, even if I can see it coming a mile away.

In one of my line of work I spend a good deal of my time keeping miss guided youth from going off the rails completely. Little bit of me on here doing the same. Some might see it as a bit of shit stirring (often it is ) but hey every time one of these guys has to justify what they are doing to me, then at the very least they have thought a bit about their riding and maybe their mates as well.

Beddy byes for little guys

[Squiggles]

I graduated last year and don't have the time now to organise the mentor rides and the RRRS programme - though I believe there's plans for this once uni starts again in a few weeks.

Club is booked in for may (earliest we could get for a large group) but we can get a few in in march and april if necessary

[Chrislost]

stink, the link didnt work

see you fuckers at paeroa tomorrow

[Squiggles]

stink, the link didnt work

see you fuckers at paeroa tomorrow

saw you ya fuck, during the prac session, opposite and down a bit, couldnt miss ya gimp face