The youth of today VS the grumpybums of yesterday...

[Trudes]

In recent times the trend has turned away from 'you've done something bad so you will be punished' to 'my child is far to precious to be punished, how dare you punish them!'.

Adults nowadays want to be their child's best friend rather than their disciplinarian because they remember how much they hated their parents for 'being so mean'.

Now we have a bunch of adults that think the world owes them, with no morals. Their goals in life are for the idiots; cultivate and live off the dole and for the people who did well in school; go to business school and learn how to become a CEO, kissing arse and trampling those in their way.

Very generalised of course. But since the world is full of sheep, being general tends to cover the vast majority.

Goodness, so wise for so young!!! Agree totally with you!

[Blue Velvet]

I did. I hated it. I used to love it when I was a young whipper snapper.

Exactly my point.

I still don't understand why people seem to need to worry sooooo much about the youth of today.

It's been explained (a few times now) yet you're still missing the point of the thread.

[Number One]

In recent times the trend has turned away from 'you've done something bad so you will be punished' to 'my child is far to precious to be punished, how dare you punish them!'.

yeah I think that's a bit weird, I'm worried more about going too far the other way cos I would tend to assume he 'must' be at fault due to my own experience.

Adults nowadays want to be their child's best friend rather than their disciplinarian because they remember how much they hated their parents for 'being so mean'..

I'm pretty firm with my boy and my parents were firm and consistent with me. I appreciated that and I always knew where I stood. The 'mean' thing is different in my mind than consequences, which I think you refer to above. To me that's the shutting outside, not including, not valuing kids contribution stuff - to me that is being really mean to your kids.

Now we have a bunch of adults that think the world owes them, with no morals. Their goals in life are for the idiots; cultivate and live off the dole and for the people who did well in school; go to business school and learn how to become a CEO, kissing arse and trampling those in their way.

...I think you are right and the empathy compassion stuff may be of use. If it is done well that is. Interesting subject to contemplate taking into a classroom...

Again though - what about general adults attitudes, not just parents. Do the younguns even notice them?

[Coyote]

Again though - what about general adults attitudes, not just parents. Do the younguns even notice them?

They're either too arrogant to care or enjoy older people's grief (well, just people's grief in general).

Goodness, so wise for so young!!! Agree totally with you!

I must've been raised right then.

I was never in a very religious family, some belief but not church goers, but I was always taught the morals stemmed from there. Treat others as you wished to be treated and such. Scary just how many people aren't aware of such concepts. Dad being a smoker but quitting made me avoid that route too.

[Number One]

They're either too arrogant to care or enjoy older people's grief (well, just people's grief in general)..

Hmmm that attitude 'developed'...probably from watching and interacting with all the 'too arrogant to care or enjoy kids' adults.

[Coyote]

Hmmm that attitude 'developed'...probably from watching and interacting with all the 'too arrogant to care or enjoy kids' adults.

Exactly.

I have good experience in the matter due to bad neighbours in the past. The mother was, well, nuts. She took our plea to turn her stereo down as a personal attack and then sought to make our lives, particularly my mum's, a misery. Her 3 kids (and 1 from another relationship) joined in, soon followed by the kid's friends in the neighbourhood and then by their parents. Some examples of the insanity were the police coming to out door at 3am to tell us to turn our porchlight off (this after asking for the police's help for the last year and getting nothing but sound control arriving once the stereo had been turned off and us being told to stop wasting their time), there was the paedophilia accusation after we took some very blurry photographic evidence of the kids climbing on top of our brand new fence with water guns, water bombs and sticks with dog shit on them and throwing them at our cat, and the women next door told the police that she was scared that these pornographic photos we took of her children had been spread across the internet, and the baked beaning of our cat and our letterbox just before the Open day when we tried selling the place.

Toward the later days the police did take our side after they interviewed them and the women contradicted herself several times over and did appear to not be straight in the head.

This is what a lot of kids these days are being raised up to be.


By the way, the new place we're at is great! Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!


Bonus rant!: Got to love computers. Hit send, computer freezes, have to write all this again

[Number One]

Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!

OOOPS see below instead!

[Number One]

Our next door neighbours were part of that drug raid in Upper Hutt where they found several assault rifles (so that's where all those gunshot sounds were coming from! I thought their car just backfired!) and the people that replaced them have a loud stereo with plenty of bass and ride an old 2 stroke MXer at 11:30 at night! Woo!

Ha haa - I'm an Upper Hutt escapee - so I can imagine the flatting joys you are currently experiencing!

Once had a party shut down cos my neighbour was threatening to blow himself up with a gas bottle...we were all marched down the street - prrrfffft! The next weekend another party (shoulda learned by now) was shut down cos my neighbour in the flat two doors down had been found dead and I was the last to speak with him - double prrrfffft!

Good luck with the new neighbours

[Pwalo]

Exactly my point.



It's been explained (a few times now) yet you're still missing the point of the thread.

Which point? You realise that this is in the rant or race (sorry rave) section. I blame Dr Spock. And the Wiggles. And how can you take anything which has 'grumpybums' in the title seriously.

Now get back to work.

[Coyote]

Ha haa - I'm an Upper Hutt escapee - so I can imagine the flatting joys you are currently experiencing!

Once had a party shut down cos my neighbour was threatening to blow himself up with a gas bottle...we were all marched down the street - prrrfffft! The next weekend another party (shoulda learned by now) was shut down cos my neighbour in the flat two doors down had been found dead and I was the last to speak with him - double prrrfffft!

Good luck with the new neighbours

The sad thing is I'm not flatting, I'm at home with the parents. The last place was around flats, but this place is just standard suburbia. Can't escape the idiots unless you have enough cash for a lifestyle block.

Most of my friends aren't local so I go out of Upper Hutt for parties. Sounds like I'm missing out

Cheers