Legalise Crystal Meth?

[CaMo]

Maybe, maybe not. Can't have high school massacres if kids going through sociopathic stages don't have easy access to firearms.

It aint that hard to get a gun in NZ. Give someone a few days and $123 or whatever it is and they can walk into a gun shop and buy a 8 shot semi - auto shotgun. Good for taking out 8 people at a time if your a half decent shot. Not to mention trademe is a place you could probably get one without a licence.

Not that someone from NZ would do that but it would be easy if your some psycho like from the states

Unfortunately like a lot of issues in life the 'solution' we have does not work as it should (hey, were dealing with humans, 'nuff said) but nobody has got anything that works better.

Until then we have what we have.

You don't know anything will work better until it is tried.

[SixPackBack]

I was wondering if anyone has any numbers on problems with stuff like cannabis in Australia compared to New Zealand.

In most of Australia it has been decriminalised - e.g. in ACT you can have up to 25 grams or two plants without being persecuted (you may get a $100 fine though).

Just curious.

Ozzies have one nasty habit that makes pot far worse. 'Spining it out'.........mixing it with tobaco in order to make it last longer, at first for the uninitiated this is disgusting, but once used a couple of times becomes a highly addictive mix.

The states differ markedly in their approach. Queensland is probably the worst for Police intervention. South Australia by comparison is probably the most liberal.

Nimbin in northern NSW is a hippy town that openly sells drugs on the street, bus loads of tourists travel there from surfers to score. For some reason the cops allow this to continue, not sure why.

[carver]

meth is a tricky subject

if its so illegal to make and use, why isn't enforcemnet working?
i have know some P users, and they were ok, not crazy.
there is a term for when people make it out to be that drugs turn you into a pshyco while on them

[CaMo]

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Nimbin in northern NSW is a hippy town that openly sells drugs on the street, bus loads of tourists travel there from surfers to score. For some reason the cops allow this to continue, not sure why.

Bit like 420 at albert park I spose. Cops maybe there but just to ensure there is no trouble. They don't arrest anyone for smoking it

[RiderInBlack]

Sorry but after see a P addicted Dad hassling his Misses for money so he could get another hit at his Son's 4th birthday party, P has the big NO FU*KEN WAY in my books
I have also had a RN friend who's "boy friend" sucked her in ta using some (say it was something else). She got hooked. Nearly cost her her kids (which before using, where the most important things in her life). Luckily she has managed ta get of it and has been able ta be there for her kids again.
If ya using, get help and get off it. It is not doing you or those around ya any good. If ya haven't tried it, DON'T. Once maybe be once too often for you.

[Mikkel]

Ozzies have one nasty habit that makes pot far worse. 'Spining it out'.........mixing it with tobaco in order to make it last longer, at first for the uninitiated this is disgusting, but once used a couple of times becomes a highly addictive mix.

I thought that was a joint TBH. Or what do you mean by mixing? Something more complicated than just rolling a cigarette paper around some cannabis and some tobacco?

The states differ markedly in their approach. Queensland is probably the worst for Police intervention. South Australia by comparison is probably the most liberal.

I thought ACT was the most liberal...

Nimbin in northern NSW is a hippy town that openly sells drugs on the street, bus loads of tourists travel there from surfers to score. For some reason the cops allow this to continue, not sure why.

Sounds like Christiania in Copenhagen a few years back. That's one good thing about Denmark gone though...

[RantyDave]

'Spining it out'.........mixing it with tobaco in order to make it last longer

We did this all the time in the UK. Partially because 'proper' weed is so hard to obtain and hence you end up with nasty hash shite all the time. Partially because proper weed cost a bloody fortune and smoking it pure would cost a small fortune. And like the man said I discovered, to my (very very low) cost that you do get addicted to the nicotine in there.

[scumdog]

Maybe, maybe not. Can't have high school massacres if kids going through sociopathic stages don't have easy access to firearms.

I don't really see NZ society changing to that extent in just 30 years.

A bit simplistic that first bit.

And it's not so much the access of guns - the problem is the mental state of the population - and ours is sliding....

[scumdog]

You don't know anything will work better until it is tried.

True.

Or work worse too of course....

[steveb64]

A watered down version exists successfully in Holland. Snip'd.

Must say - during our travels around Europe and parts of the world - Amsterdam was the safest feeling city to walk around at 3 in the morning. Biggest hassle I ever got was some guy coming up to me saying "Psst - hey Mister - ya wanna buy some Ecstasy?". Wasn't so keen on London at 3 in the morning. Or New York. Or Auckland for that matter.

Some people think P in the right amount is ok
just like a hole in the head is ok

Nothing wrong with a hole in the head. Does a lot of good in the right place. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation

After smoking pot?..............dude if they can't count the lamposts they will be shitting themselves. Pot heads are far safer than drunks on the road.

A few years back, one of the Brit motoring programs (Top Gear, or 5th Gear IIRC) did a wee study on what was worse for drivers - Alcohol, lack of sleep, or Cannabis. They ran their 3 test drivers through a test course which involved a range of normal driving skills (parallel parking, driving, lane changes, etc.) to establish a baseline, then got one guy drunk (to just over the legal limit - and monitored him to ensure he stayed at that point or slightly higher), kept one guy awake for 24 hours, and the third got a smoke of his best weed. The interesting thing - the worst effect was the lack of sleep, next was the alcohol, and the guy who smoked the joint? He drove better (less errors) stoned, than he did straight!

We did this all the time in the UK. Partially because 'proper' weed is so hard to obtain and hence you end up with nasty hash shite all the time. Partially because proper weed cost a bloody fortune and smoking it pure would cost a small fortune. And like the man said I discovered, to my (very very low) cost that you do get addicted to the nicotine in there.

Nasty stuff nicotine. Be interesting to see if the "cocktail" culture has diminished since the cannabis decriminalisation over there.


One idea that hasn't been espoused yet - DON'T legalise drugs - just decriminalise them. Then pile on the penalties (up to life with no parole) for those caught either importing or manufacturing them. And increase the border security forces so that they CAN search EVERYTHING coming into the country. IMO that should not only markedly reduce the quantities available - but push the price up so that less people can afford the stuff in the first place... and if the ones who are manufacturing/distributing the stuff are locked up for life, then recidivism isn't going to be much of a problem either.

If nothing else, it should save the country millions in costs related to trying to control insect pests that seem to be arriving in NZ in ever increasing numbers via the (currently) large numbers of containers that arrive at destination without proper inspection - and no doubt catch a wider range of smugglers as well.

[SixPackBack]

I thought ACT was the most liberal...

Yeah I think your right come to think of it.

We did this all the time in the UK. Partially because 'proper' weed is so hard to obtain and hence you end up with nasty hash shite all the time. Partially because proper weed cost a bloody fortune and smoking it pure would cost a small fortune. And like the man said I discovered, to my (very very low) cost that you do get addicted to the nicotine in there.

Thats it the Nicotine is as addictive as all hell. My personal hell was exacberated when I started mixing ['spining']

the problem is the mental state of the population - and ours is sliding....

Being on the frontline, why do you think the collective mental state is sliding?

[steveb64]

Yeah but you of all people should know it's illegal to chase perps with a loaded weapon. Well done though.

It wasn't loaded. Just a truncheon...

[Mikkel]

Sorry but after see a P addicted Dad hassling his Misses for money so he could get another hit at his Son's 4th birthday party, P has the big NO FU*KEN WAY in my books
I have also had a RN friend who's "boy friend" sucked her in ta using some (say it was something else). She got hooked. Nearly cost her her kids (which before using, where the most important things in her life). Luckily she has managed ta get of it and has been able ta be there for her kids again.
If ya using, get help and get off it. It is not doing you or those around ya any good. If ya haven't tried it, DON'T. Once maybe be once too often for you.

However, let's be honest. In that regard P isn't any worse than e.g. heroin - except the physical sideeffects are nastier for P.

The scene you describe could be applied to almost any kind of addiction - alcoholism as well!

We did this all the time in the UK. Partially because 'proper' weed is so hard to obtain and hence you end up with nasty hash shite all the time. Partially because proper weed cost a bloody fortune and smoking it pure would cost a small fortune. And like the man said I discovered, to my (very very low) cost that you do get addicted to the nicotine in there.

Spinning it? Sound like what I'd call a joint. Mix some hashish, skunk or pot with some tobacco and wrap it up in a cigarette paper... Most common way of doing cannabis in Denmark I'd say.

However, the normal approach is to first heat up the tobacco on a piece of alu foil with a lighter to evaporate most of the nicotine. Not because the nicotine is addictive - but because it can give you "lungburn" when inhaling the stuff together. It's not nice!

[RiderInBlack]

However, let's be honest. In that regard P isn't any worse than e.g. heroin - except the physical sideeffects are nastier for P.

The scene you describe could be applied to almost any kind of addiction - alcoholism as well!

Sorry ya point is? I feel the same way about heroin (BIG NO FU*KEN WAY), and you are saying the side-effects are worse for P
There is less a lot less chance of getting addicted to alcohol than P, and it's side-effects don't even come near P.
IMHO it is OK to have a mild drug with some legalisation like alcohol, but not OK for strong drugs. Dealers need to be punished (I'd have some shot). As for the user, they need ta be given rehab. If they do something illegal because of their using (bash someone, steal, kill someone in a car accident), then they need to accept the punishment for that crime with no excuse accepted that the drug made them do it.

In my life experience, rules need ta be just a bit harder than what ya would accept from people. If ya what drivers to do less than 50kph around schools, set the limit/rule/signs ta 40kpm around schools and police at 50kpm+ . People on average like ta bend the rules a bit. Legalise P, NO FU*KEN WAY. Go ta Amsterdam if that's what ya want.

[Mikkel]

Sorry ya point is? I feel the same way about heroin (BIG NO FU*KEN WAY), and you are saying the side-effects are worse for P
There is less a lot less chance of getting addicted to alcohol than P, and it's side-effects don't even come near P.
IMHO it is OK to have a mild drug with some legalisation like alcohol, but not OK for strong drugs. Dealers need to be punished (I'd have some shot). As for the user, they need ta be given rehab. If they do something illegal because of their using (bash someone, steal, kill someone in a car accident), then they need to accept the punishment for that crime with no excuse accepted that the drug made them do it.

Annoying font and colour so can't be bothered to disect your post...

My point is obvious. I will however explain it - the scene you described with the 4th birthday has nothing to do with the fact that the fella is addicted to P. It could have been a lot of other substances. -> It's not the substance it's how the (ab)user handles it!

I agree drug dealers (pushers is a better word) are the scum of the earth and merchants of death and misery. However, it's not the drugs fault - it's the illegal drug industry's fault.
If you legalise the stuff, but control the distribution that would also have the side-effect of killing the illegal drug industry and put the pushers out of work.

What do you think the drug barons fear the most? Legalisation - that's right!