Legalise Crystal Meth?

**skidMark** · 23rd February 2008, 03:02

Originally Posted by Finn

Coming from a socialist, you're a vaginal wart.

If you grow a little bigger you can be one too!

**Disco Dan** · 23rd February 2008, 06:30

[QUOTE=doc;1441286]

Originally Posted by Disco Dan

October is the start of exams. Starting in August means semister has pretty much finished 2008 hasn't started. Autistic spectrum disorder is a developmental problem not a mental health issue as you describe it. Your credibility remains low, be honest. Good luck with your studies. And you have teaching experience in what ???? The consumer doesn't want to know what you think you are capable of , they want evidence.

Again, August was only ever the date of bankruptcy..... late night huh?

Yes I am fully aware of that, the majority of my experience is in intellectual disabilities. Same ball park. Teaching? well as I have allready said, I was a teachers aide at two special needs schools for a few years before going to teachers college... did not finish, changing my mind after disagreeing with what was being said and starting on the MH path last year.

Would have been flipping easier to have just asked to see my cv dude....

im still trying to work out what this has to do with P ...but meh.

**RiderInBlack** · 23rd February 2008, 06:40

Yawn, Have just waded through 3 pages of Doc and Disco Dan bitch slapping each other

Can we get back to the topic (what ever that was)

PS: I'll trust life experience over Degrees any day.

**SixPackBack** · 23rd February 2008, 06:48

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yeah, that part of the culture that says we have to deal with 'the public' and it's miriad of mental, physical and financial woes.....

The sludge-trap for society, that's us.

Bitch of a job scumdog, but I would bet highly interesting at times, and exceptionally satisfying catching the real bad boys.

Getting back to the subject. Riderinblack has assured us that medical help is available to those that seek it, but within a frame work of unlawfulness.
I.E. should an individual take it upon themselves to seek help from a Doctor [for example] salvation maybe close at hand. Conversely should their first contact be with the Police ['turn out your pockets Sir'] they will be thrown in jail. Totally illogical manner of dealing with the issue??........why not give those individuals caught by the Police a medical to ascertain IF a problem exists and then let the medical profession deal with it.
True addicts/abusers should [under the absence of related 'supporting crime/s] be sent to dry out in a medical establishment NOT incarcerated in jail.

Would make your job easier scumdog?

**SixPackBack** · 23rd February 2008, 06:50

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

Yawn, Have just waded through 3 pages of Doc and Disco Dan bitch slapping each other

Can we get back to the topic (what ever that was)

PS: I'll trust life experience over Degrees any day.

Agreed. Please guys lets not see this thrown in P.D.

**doc** · 23rd February 2008, 06:55

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Agreed. Please guys lets not see this thrown in P.D.

Yep sorry about that. Back to the subject.

Those who pick up the piecies from this crap, will never understand why people would even want to raise the issue of legalising it.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 23rd February 2008, 07:54

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

These two do not have benign effects compared to toher substances. The amount of people in psych units due to cannabis induced psychosis is staggering. Research in the UK by doctors has found that the psychological affects of weed and cannavis are far worse than other drugs.

Post proof please.

Thanks

**flyingcrocodile46** · 23rd February 2008, 08:12

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

As a previous heavy user of Cannabis I can attest to the validity of this post.

At the height of my usage well over 20grams a week was consumed,]

Thousands of fellow Kiwi's face the same dilemma under current law.

I can also quote the same current and long term consumption figures, and can boast similar academic achievements without quiting.

When not available, I have never experienced negative symptoms (but have over tobacco) and other substances I have used such as alcohol, have had a visibly negative impact on those around me (and impaired my own judgment).

As for the "thousands of fellow kiwis" that you lump in with your own experiences, how many of them have personally told you that they have had the same experiences?.. As I don't believe that statement has any scientifically factual basis in application to weed over alcohol or tobacco.

It isn't my intention to take the piss, but my own experiences are completely reversed from yours, and I think it is wrong to lump everyone in the same category without factual basis.... Different strokes and all that.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 23rd February 2008, 08:15

Originally Posted by DMNTD

Meth is only a problem when abused...fact.

Funny!... the wife tells me the same thing about herself.. LOL

**flyingcrocodile46** · 23rd February 2008, 08:29

Originally Posted by MIXONE

FFS back to planet earth.Were you ever a teenager?Did you ever want to try everything you could get your hands on and fuck the warnings?Make it easier to get and get more addicts I say.

Well said.

I don't agree with the basis that some in the thread are using to push their views forward regarding the negative aspects of drugs (especially weed).

BUT

Your very simple statement is an undeniable truth that MUST be acknowledged and should be the number one reason why it would be societal suicide to legalize drugs.

Many people... (especially the young and inexperienced), suffer from a distinct lack of common dog fuck and simply do not have the ability to exercise self control.

**SixPackBack** · 23rd February 2008, 08:32

[quote=flyingcrocodile46;1441703]I can also quote the same current and long term consumption figures, and can boast similar academic achievements without quiting.

I call bullshit. If you smoke 20 gramms a week and have been for a long time either you were very smart to begin with or the drugs are deluding you.

As for the "thousands of fellow kiwis" that you lump in with your own experiences, how many of them have personally told you that they have had the same experiences?.. As I don't believe that statement has any scientifically factual basis in application to weed over alcohol or tobacco.

You have taken my statement out of context

I am extremely sceptical of you persona and intentions flyingcrocodile46. A few posts and you show a famililarity that can only come from long term KB exposure?.....an alter ego...a cop?

**Edbear** · 23rd February 2008, 08:34

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Bitch of a job scumdog, but I would bet highly interesting at times, and exceptionally satisfying catching the real bad boys.

Getting back to the subject. Riderinblack has assured us that medical help is available to those that seek it, but within a frame work of unlawfulness.
I.E. should an individual take it upon themselves to seek help from a Doctor [for example] salvation maybe close at hand. Conversely should their first contact be with the Police ['turn out your pockets Sir'] they will be thrown in jail. Totally illogical manner of dealing with the issue??........why not give those individuals caught by the Police a medical to ascertain IF a problem exists and then let the medical profession deal with it.
True addicts/abusers should [under the absence of related 'supporting crime/s] be sent to dry out in a medical establishment NOT incarcerated in jail.

Would make your job easier scumdog?

Valid points, SPB. If the authorities were serious, it would be mandatory to undergo rehab for drug/alcohol abuse if charged and convicted of such an offence. There could be some leeway for first offenders re: having a conviction on their record if they voluntarily agree to rehab.

I believe in giving someone a fair go and a chance. However recidivist offenders who don't care or want to get help, get little sympathy. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, an addict first needs to appreciate their problem and want to do something about it.

It is also a resource issue as helping someone with a drug addiction is not done in a week, it's a long term commitment.

**flyingcrocodile46** · 23rd February 2008, 08:50

[QUOTE=SixPackBack;1441728]

Originally Posted by flyingcrocodile46

I can also quote the same current and long term consumption figures, and can boast similar academic achievements without quiting.

I call bullshit. If you smoke 20 gramms a week and have been for a long time either you were very smart to begin with or the drugs are deluding you.

As for the "thousands of fellow kiwis" that you lump in with your own experiences, how many of them have personally told you that they have had the same experiences?.. As I don't believe that statement has any scientifically factual basis in application to weed over alcohol or tobacco.

You have taken my statement out of context

I am extremely sceptical of you persona and intentions flyingcrocodile46. A few posts and you show a famililarity that can only come from long term KB exposure?.....an alter ego...a cop?

I wouldn't claim to be very smart before, after or during, but I do know that even if I chain smoke a couple or three high quality joints (and get the usual mellow glow... which I can also feel from lower quality weed), If I have to get on with a complex task (such as trigonometry calcs to establish cut angles and lengths on all the components of a roof truss) my mellow euphoria will be completely gone within 15 to 30 minutes. As I say... "different strokes" we have different body chemistry. We can't all suffer from Bipolar disorder.

My persona is real. I am a newbie here, but have been an active interwobble abuser for close on to 10 years.

Sorry if I have ruffled feathers dude... Bottom line is my motivation for posting is the same as everyone else's. Just expressing my views.

**SixPackBack** · 23rd February 2008, 08:53

Originally Posted by Edbear

I believe in giving someone a fair go and a chance. However recidivist offenders who don't care or want to get help, get little sympathy. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, an addict first needs to appreciate their problem and want to do something about it.

My personal journey has highlighted how awsome life can be with a straight head. Re teaching that to addicts and showing them how much more responsive their family will be, how much more money they have in their pockets, how easy it is to get up in the morning....mate that goes a long way to having them back with us.
John Kirwin's ad on the tellie really struck a chord the other night. "its the little things".......how true that is.

It is also a resource issue as helping someone with a drug addiction is not done in a week, it's a long term commitment.

True. The resource is side shifted from the corrections department. External and on going support is the key. Progresivly longer stays within a 'health camp' would be as big a stick as prison without the lingering side effects. Its important to note this help would/could be for abusers and not users, together with a list of safe use levels this type of system would be a revelation I beleive.

**SixPackBack** · 23rd February 2008, 08:54

[quote=flyingcrocodile46;1441747]

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

I wouldn't claim to be very smart before, after or during, but I do know that even if I chain smoke a couple or three high quality joints (and get the usual mellow glow... which I can also feel from lower quality weed), If I have to get on with a complex task (such as trigonometry calcs to establish cut angles and lengths on all the components of a roof truss) my mellow euphoria will be completely gone within 15 to 30 minutes. As I say... "different strokes" we have different body chemistry. We can't all suffer from Bipolar disorder.

My persona is real. I am a newbie here, but have been an active interwobble abuser for close on to 10 years.

Sorry if I have ruffled feathers dude... Bottom line is my motivation for posting is the same as everyone else's. Just expressing my views.

Cool mate, your veiws are welcome.