Shifting into neutral

[Hitcher]

lol... very f'n funny
how does it operate? what are its mechanics? (and dont mention them by name!)

You have learned quickly, Grasshopper. Exactly how it works I know not. It just stops you up shifting to second gear from first, once stationary. Mr K has been using this for a while and it appears to be a reliable and well-regarded feature on the world's best motorcycles...

[Blakamin]

it appears to be a reliable and well-regarded feature on the world's best motorcycles...

so what model Ducatis are they on????
OOhhh you meant the kawasaki... ok.... <-= (he's even kwakka-green)

seriously, I wonder what they did to stop it shifting to 2nd... and why other manufacturers havent jumped on the bandwagon... my old Z9 never had a neutral hassle, so why did they go and possibly over-engineer something... not that I'm saying its a bad idea... just wonder why and how it works...

I NEED TO KNOW!!!! (brain starvation. happens when you work here)

[Motu]

You have learned quickly, Grasshopper. Exactly how it works I know not. It just stops you up shifting to second gear from first, once stationary. Mr K has been using this for a while and it appears to be a reliable and well-regarded feature on the world's best motorcycles...

Wow,fantastic! - let's reinvent the wheel....It's been done before,even before I was born! It was always a feature of Royal Enfidels and my Ural from the 70s had one too.What will thay think of next,drum brakes?

[Ramius]

Seems I have the opposite problem, I cheat, I have an electronic display telling me what Gear I am in, however, when going from first to second, I always seem to put it in neutral...grrr.

[Hitcher]

Seems I have the opposite problem, I cheat, I have an electronic display telling me what Gear I am in, however, when going from first to second, I always seem to put it in neutral...grrr.

Suzuki gearbox. Enough said.

[BUBBLE]

I like the clutch to 'bite' pretty soon after I start letting the lever out but are you saying this is bad for it?
And you mean under heavy acceleration just when you're changing gears right? As opposed to just under heavy acceleration?

My bike has had this prob for all the time I've had it aswell (3 years). I've given up being patient with it and just turn it off and then on again to get into neutral if I find I'm stuck in gear at the lights.

Having clutch bite just after you let it out is not bad but might still be contributing clutch drag while fully in. Its personal preferance really, specially if you have short fingers.
The last clutch I replaced was a Ducati 750 and it was so worn that it would slip just under acceleration, not just after changing gear.
If a clutch is slipping just after changing gear normally means your clucth cable is tight and needs lubing or even replacing. Or if you have a hydraulic system and clutch slips just after changing gear, slave cylinder needs dismantling, cleaning and new seals, possibly also master cylinder pulling to bits, cleaning and new seals.

[aff-man]

i had no toubles finding neutral on your bike

[BUBBLE]

i won't say a word, but i never had a problem with my slick suzuku gearboxes, they are known to make the best gearboxes for motorcycles.

and well kawasaki, there gearboxs are just like rest of there bikes dc:<

Cajun: The gearbox in my GSXR600K3 is pretty average really, clunks from gear to gear and occasionally get false neutral between 5th & 6th (yeah I know, I dont really need 6th till im doing around 225k's). Main reason for false neutral is because gear lever is adjusted too high (that reminds me, I'll go out right now and adjust it). What oil are you running, I was wondering if I would get a smoother gear change if I was running synthetic oil??

[Warren]

I find If I stick it into neurtal while still rolling sometimes it won't click down into first without moving the bike a little bit foreward. So I always put it into first while rolling with the clutch in and when the bike stops I put it in neutral, that way I know I can click it down easily to 1st.

[Cajun]

Cajun: The gearbox in my GSXR600K3 is pretty average really, clunks from gear to gear and occasionally get false neutral between 5th & 6th (yeah I know, I dont really need 6th till im doing around 225k's). Main reason for false neutral is because gear lever is adjusted too high (that reminds me, I'll go out right now and adjust it). What oil are you running, I was wondering if I would get a smoother gear change if I was running synthetic oil??

Never had a problem with the gearbox, apart from once when i did apply enough pressure going up. but that was me not gear box

You should be running fully synthetic oil after the 6000km service. Oil i am running is shell, its not the greatest, but its what the local suzuki dealer uses, it was brain berand uses in there race bikes, so shrug, that do the trick,

[crashe]

Sometimes I get it first time....sometimes I dont.

I have tried moving off in 1st and then stopping and going into neutral...
sometimes that works.... and sometimes it dont work.

If I know I am gonna be waiting at the lights and I cant get neutal no matter what I try, I will turn the bike off and then it goes into neutral straight away.

I got told that a lot of Yamaha's do it... so I was pleased that it wasn't just me.

But having read that someone above suggested going from second to neutral as you are pulling up.... I shall try that out and see what happens....

[Paul in NZ]

You will all have a different opinion to me.... But....

Motorcycle gearboxes are not like most car gearboxes... They are stuffed into a pretty small space and are usually some sort of constant mesh box...

The Clutches are odd to. The cable adjustment at the bar is just ONE adjustment, there are usually at least one other point to adjust the lift. Often 2. Then you have to get a constant even lift by making sure all the springs are OK and...

It's a bit complicated to go into in any great length because I know stuff all about anything after 1976 and I'm probably wrong but... If you want to see the basics I have several clutchs here in bits and it's easier to show you.. If you want to know you can come see or I could try and explain thus making and idiot of myself but.....

Do your bike a favour...

Don't sit at the lights in first gear with the clutch in. The plates bang about and wear.

Find neutral while you are still rolling (it's easy on the Guz - Find 1st, shift to 2nd and knock down into N)

Don't warm it up on the stand all the time.

Paul N

[wari]

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[vifferman]

May I speak? Too bad - I'm gonna anyway.

I have no trouble finding neutral on the VifFerrari. Mind you, on the FahrtSturm, I had no trouble either. But on SluttyFartBlast (the VFR750), finding neutral could always be very easy. Not like the VF500 - to find neutral, I had to move my foot fractionally on the gear lever, and it would snick into neutral....

Don't warm it up on the stand all the time.

Yeah, I second that. To those of you who think you're doing your bike a favour by warming it thoroughly for several minutes before riding, you're WRONG. In fact, the best thing you can do for your bike, is start it up, and once it's coughed, farted and spluttered into life, ride off. On some bikes (such as the FahrtSturm) excessive idling on the sidestand is thought to be a contributing factor to various ailments (CCT failure on the VTR1000).

But you don't have to believe me - do your own research (carefully ignoring anecdotal evidence, of course).

[pete376403]

Wow,fantastic! - let's reinvent the wheel....It's been done before,even before I was born! It was always a feature of Royal Enfidels and my Ural from the 70s had one too.What will thay think of next,drum brakes?

Not quite the same as the Kawasaki, Enfields have a separate lever that selects the genuine neutral as opposed to all the false neutrals lurking around in there. What did the Urines have?