Open-face helmets?

[swbarnett]

One is legal..

Agreed. However, the question was not about legality, it was about the "speed kills" attitude that I and others consider to be blatantly wrong and prejudicial. The result of which is that we get wrongly pinged for endangering public safety.

[Tank]

its all about the "image"

On the baby Harley - surely not!

[JimO]

On the baby Harley - surely not!

he is still a baby himself only 19

[Tank]

he is still a baby himself only 19

In that case a open faced bonnet perhaps?

[scumdog]

Agreed. However, the question was not about legality, it was about the "speed kills" attitude that I and others consider to be blatantly wrong and prejudicial. The result of which is that we get wrongly pinged for endangering public safety.

There are so many innept drogos out on the road that keeping the speed down is one thing that can 'level the playing field'.

[steveb64]

There are so many innept drogos out on the road that keeping the speed down is one thing that can 'level the playing field'.

So you're advocating a national 50 kph speed limit then?

How about teaching them to drive, rather than teaching them how to pass their licence?

Then require everyone to re-sit their licence under the new PROPER examination/testing regime? And DON'T say "But the cost/time will be too much" - (almost) everyone with a firearms licence has had to do it - and there's more people killed by traffic accidents than guns...

[James Deuce]

So you're advocating a national 50 kph speed limit then?

How about teaching them to drive, rather than teaching them how to pass their licence?

Then require everyone to re-sit their licence under the new PROPER examination/testing regime? And DON'T say "But the cost/time will be too much" - (almost) everyone with a firearms licence has had to do it - and there's more people killed by traffic accidents than guns...

Great idea.

Now stump up the cash to turn it into legislation and setup the bureaucracy and trainers required to start it up.

All mouth, no trousers.

[swbarnett]

There are so many innept drogos out on the road that keeping the speed down is one thing that can 'level the playing field'.

The playing field is already level for someone who uses speed responsibly.

140kph under the right circumstances is a lot safer than 100kph under the wrong circumstances.

[swbarnett]

Great idea.

Now stump up the cash to turn it into legislation and setup the bureaucracy and trainers required to start it up.

All mouth, no trousers.

The cash already exists, what is missing is the political will. I for one would vote for anyone that I thought had any chance of getting this going (assuming their other policies weren't abhorrent to me).

This is, however, a different issue than the efficacy of the judicious use of speed under the current climate.

[James Deuce]

The cash already exists, what is missing is the political will. I for one would vote for anyone that I thought had any chance of getting this going (assuming their other policies weren't abhorrent to me).

This is, however, a different issue than the efficacy of the judicious use of speed under the current climate.

The cash doesn't exist, as there is no programme anywhere that I can see.

It needs significant funding and should be a private enterprise not a government operation, however the legislation for minimum driver training will have to be a reality to compel people to attend, because they aren't going to do it otherwise.

The whole thing needs to start in school.

This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with providing a service, once a cogent argument has been formed to make it a legislative reality, instead of the normal foaming at the mouth reactionary rubbish that passes for expert opinion.

You cannot leave something like this to politicians.

[swbarnett]

The cash doesn't exist, as there is no programme anywhere that I can see.

Not allocated no but I can't think of a better use for the current budget surplus (except maybe tax cuts).

It needs significant funding and should be a private enterprise not a government operation, however the legislation for minimum driver training will have to be a reality to compel people to attend, because they aren't going to do it otherwise.

Agreed. And if this were the case you wouldn't need the public funding (although maybe a bit to police the driving schools).

The whole thing needs to start in school.

Exactly, get kids back on bicycles and walking to school. This could be achieved easily by ticketing every mum or dad double parked to let the kids off (it would also likely be self funding if Westlake Boys is anything to go by).

This has nothing to do with politics

It does if it's going to be a legal requirement. You need political will to make anything compulsory.

[1200custom]

he is still a baby himself only 19

didnt know being 19 was still classed as a baby.....that means you guys intermediate school students and you would have to be 200 to be a pentioner

[Paul in NZ]

The playing field is already level for someone who uses speed responsibly.

140kph under the right circumstances is a lot safer than 100kph under the wrong circumstances.

Meh! The right circumstances become the wrong circumstances really quickly and then people call them accidents. On the road - ANY road I would hate to pick to odds of walking away from a 140kph off regardless of what I was wearing. Racetracks are completely different - besides this whole using speed responsibily argument is silly - most people (especially bikers ) are NOT responsible - and I kinda like that...

You should post this in the firearms thread - trust me - they will understand

[scumdog]

"Must spread rep" - sorry Paul.

[Dodger]

"Must spread rep" - sorry Paul.

Don't worry I'll give him some