The Kiwi Darwin Award nominee for 2008 is...

[Edbear]

Yes, but his obstinate refusal to wear a seat belt (misguided though it seems to you & me) arguably exposed him to less risk than I expose myself to when I wear ATTGATT through the streets of Wellington on my docile little commuter bike. So I'm an idiot?

It's a bit like skydiving, if at first you don't succeed then it's probably not for you...

We all make choices and of course riding a bike does expose you, generally, to a greater risk. However, as with any activity, smart people do what they can to minimize risk. (ATGATT, etc.), As nice a person as this guy may have been, and of course I never knew him personally, his actions greatly increased the risk of death or injury both to himself and other road users.

It was ironic that the very thing that would probably have saved his life, was the very thing he actively avoided using.

It is a relief to know the innocent victim of his actions was spared. Other's aren't so fortunate. Imagine the uproar if he had lived while killing the other driver.

[Mikkel]

My brother-in-law managed to kill himself and a friend by driving his Honda NSX way too fast on SH2 (you know, the "danger road" south of Auckland) a few years ago. He was a skillful driver, but not skillful enough to defy the laws of physics. Am I ashamed to be related to him? No. Was he a total loser? No, though he did lose the gamble he took that day. He was a generous guy and a good friend to many people.

Calling strangers losers on an Internet forum is easy. It makes life seem a bit less complicated than it really is.

You're making a valid point BJ!

But, I think there might be a subtle difference though... Lemme check. Did your brother-in-law do P before getting in the NSX? Did he force his friend into the car? I didn't think so.

We all know the risk when we crank that handle or put our foot to the floor. I'm sure most have had a "uh-oh" moment where we realise that we could have been unlucky there and gotten maimed or killed. Some people are unlucky the first time.

If anything he was a lucky bastard for having a NSX - too bad he didn't take better care of it - and himself!

It's a bit like skydiving, if at first you don't succeed then it's probably not for you...

...ain't that true!

[BIHB@0610]

Not necessarily. An idiot is an idiot period. Alot of riders are quick to jump on other riders they consider to be idiots on here.

Absolutely - especially when it comes to safety gear. IMHO leathers, boots, helmet and gloves are to motorsicklists what a safety/seat belt is to car drivers. There are plenty of posts on this site bagging bikers seen wearing jandals and t-shirts .....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...hlight=jandals

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...hlight=jandals

[dipshit]

Nothing to do with him being a driver or a rider

"Stupid as the stunters were - they are people with families and you comments pissed me off."

"Because the newbies can be reached through a number of methods, but those more experienced riders see your high horse tactics as condescending."

"and you post up a video of a fatal accident, and then add 'This one's real funny!'"

"Regardless - My point remains the same - enjoying the harm that has happened to others is psychotic."

The motorcycling equivalent would be someone painting on a helmet to avoid the authorities pinging him for not wearing one,

Or how about riding a motorcycle with a cap on backwards?

then smoking a bit of P, a bit of dope and heading out onto the road.

"and an autopsy blood test showed he had taken methamphetamine and cannabis"

I bet half of you lot would fail a blood test too.

People not wearing seatbelts and no WOF and traces of drugs in their system is a very common thing these days.

[Number One]

blah blah blah blah

sorry I missed your point...did you have one with that post or what?

[ManDownUnder]

People not wearing seatbelts and no WOF and traces of drugs in their system is a very common thing these days.

...and I think I speak on behalf of all my friends when I say - "They're cool"...

[ManDownUnder]

sorry I missed your point...did you have one with that post or what?

Yes - riding with a cap on backwards is different from painting on a helmet.

[MIXONE]

[I]"

People not wearing seatbelts is a very common thing these days.

It may be but I bet not many of said people would go to the trouble of making a fake seatbelt?

[nodrog:Me]

Yes - riding with a cap on backwards is different from painting on a helmet.

indeed it is, that wattyl solargaurd would be ideal stuff to use for a paint helmet, its gauraunted to protect from all sorts of shit, and its lasts 25 years!

[dipshit]

sorry I missed your point...did you have one with that post or what?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...7&postcount=30

[Number One]

Go bark up some other tree....your posts tell me you put yourself on a pedastool - hope it don't tip over one day cos you might have to rethink your superiority complex

[nodrog:Me]

Go bark up some other tree....your posts tell me you put yourself on a pedastool - hope it don't tip over one day cos you might have to rethink your superiority complex

leave him alone, he's here to save us all

[Badjelly]

But, I think there might be a subtle difference though... Lemme check. Did your brother-in-law do P before getting in the NSX? Did he force his friend into the car? I didn't think so.

Yeah, I was kind of glossing over the P

[Sully60]

leave him alone, he's here to save us all

Oh dear, I think I did a little wee in my pants.

[Fatjim]

My brother-in-law managed to kill himself and a friend by driving his Honda NSX way too fast on SH2 (you know, the "danger road" south of Auckland) a few years ago. He was a skillful driver, but not skillful enough to defy the laws of physics. Am I ashamed to be related to him? No. Was he a total loser? No, though he did lose the gamble he took that day. He was a generous guy and a good friend to many people.

Calling strangers losers on an Internet forum is easy. It makes life seem a bit less complicated than it really is.

There are reasons I called him a loser, amongst others these are .

driving without a seatbelt

his car crossed the road and collided head-on with an oncoming vehicle

been fined for not wearing one 32 times since February 2003.

create the illusion to a passing motorist or police officer that a seatbelt was being worn when it was not.

Mr Segedin's car had an expired warrant,

was full of rust,

he had taken methamphetamine

and cannabis.

"He died when quite possibly he need not have."

His fatal injuries were caused when he was thrown forward on to the steering wheel in a low-impact crash.

Face it, he was a loser.



Actually, there's one more thing I'd like to add.

There is a difference between making stupid mistakes and being stupid.

We all make stupid mistakes, but stupid people keep making the same ones over and over.

This guy was stupid, a loser, a fuckwit. Sorry if its abrupt, but he is undefendanble.