Question for IT people

**Cajun** · 25th November 2004, 12:50

Originally Posted by Dr Bob

Yeah, that diploma looks fairly standard. The old NZQA CBC then DipBC took 2 years, so I am assuming that this is the migration from the DipBC. It is reasonably tough to get a good overview in a 1 year course, but the job prospects from this type of course are also pretty good. You will also want to extend yourself from the basic material - employers are not especially keen on an average student or average employee. Although you can pay someone to teach you, the learning will always be your responsibility.

this paper is cbc,
there is a level 6 which is dipbc,
then there is Bachelor of Information Technology

I started off doing cbc, dipbc and then in turn the degree, I had been using comptuers for since i was 10, taught myself everything from programing/hacking/hardware/etc etc, once i decided i wanted to get somewhere in life tryed finding a job but none really wanted to know unless i had a bit of paper, so went back to school for 3 years, got a piece of paper to say what i know, in that 3 years at school i didn't learn a single thing i taught more to the teachers, about what they were meant to be teaching me more than anything else.

But here i am a system admin, dba admin, blah blah blah and tons of other admins of all sorta of stuff and i am 25

**toads** · 25th November 2004, 13:34

I started off doing cbc, dipbc and then in turn the degree, I had been using comptuers for since i was 10, taught myself everything from programing/hacking/hardware/etc etc, once i decided i wanted to get somewhere in life tryed finding a job but none really wanted to know unless i had a bit of paper, so went back to school for 3 years, got a piece of paper to say what i know, in that 3 years at school i didn't learn a single thing i taught more to the teachers, about what they were meant to be teaching me more than anything else.

But here i am a system admin, dba admin, blah blah blah and tons of other admins of all sorta of stuff and i am 25[/QUOTE]

doesn't that just suck Cajun, all the knowledge etc and noone will give you a job, until you have a poxy bit of paper and associated student debt to prove it!. Good on you though I have the utmost respect for your efforts!

**MOTOXXX** · 25th November 2004, 13:37

Originally Posted by Jim2

Is that TLR back on the road?

Unfortunitly no. Long story to tell over a beer or two. Ill keep ya'll posted tho.

**Cajun** · 25th November 2004, 13:42

Originally Posted by toads

doesn't that just suck Cajun, all the knowledge etc and noone will give you a job, until you have a poxy bit of paper and associated student debt to prove it!. Good on you though I have the utmost respect for your efforts!

Yeah it sucks but got piece of paper, well technically i have not finshed the degree yet but very very close, my student debt isn't to bad, it well less than price of of the motorbike. I had two choices go to school learn computers, i know them like back of my hand(before course) or go to school and learn to fix motorbikes, and decided no money in motorbikes, there is in computers, and here i am

**manuboy** · 25th November 2004, 13:42

The most valuable thing you'll get out of something like CBC or NDBC or woteva, is the ability to research. IT changes so quickly it's obviously no use doing those courses to learn about IT - they're out of date by the time you complete them (depending on your flavour of IT i guess).

BUT

If you know how to be self sufficient and find your own answers, you'll never get caught short. I founds thats how they helped me. :spudwave:

**Drunken Monkey** · 25th November 2004, 18:10

bleurgh.

I just deleted that rant - ignore me, I had one of those typically shitty network engineer days where anything and everything that could have possibly gone wrong, went wrong.

Do you have a teritary qual? Probably not looking at your DOB. If you're not the kind of person who is going to get a degree, you might want to look at the professional quals like A+, MCP, CNA, CCNA, etc. However, they are expensive courses, seeing as they're aimed at pros, and they are worth a whole lot more to people with a couple of years industry experience.

There's a lot to discuss, and I've had enough typing for today...

**Antallica** · 25th November 2004, 18:36

Work in another field unless you really want to work your ass off and get to the highest level. I have my A+ and all that, it's very very difficult to get anywhere as there's like, 5 million other nerds who are being pumped out of Tertiary with a cert and no knowlege. Hope you're getting what I'm saying here. Be prepared to fight for a simple IT job, unless you are one of the lucky ones.

Ggrr, I hate this laptop keyboard.

**MOTOXXX** · 25th November 2004, 20:27

thanks guys.
ive definitely got some thinkin to do.

**matthewt** · 25th November 2004, 20:41

Originally Posted by Dr Bob

You think Datacom is bad, I'm putting together my C.V. for IRD at the moment.

Datacom, IRD ?? Nah, how about EDS !!

I know I've hit rock bottom when my CV goes to EDS

**matthewt** · 25th November 2004, 20:46

Originally Posted by Jim2

I'm intrigued as to why Datacom got an instant bagging from a couple of people.

Datacom is like any other large IT company in NZ. They do some really good stuff and they do some really crap stuff. I was involved heavily in software Datacom put in at MSD. Parts of it were quite good but some of the people involved should of been shown the door long ago.

I've contracted to Synergy International for most of the last 6 years and I'd say the team I'm in is one of the best Oracle teams in NZ, however some of the other stuff Synergy does leaves a lot to be desired. Probably the only exception to this some good/some bad rule is EDS, seems like everything they do is

**James Deuce** · 25th November 2004, 20:56

Originally Posted by matthewt

Datacom is like any other large IT company in NZ. They do some really good stuff and they do some really crap stuff. I was involved heavily in software Datacom put in at MSD. Parts of it were quite good but some of the people involved should of been shown the door long ago.

I've contracted to Synergy International for most of the last 6 years and I'd say the team I'm in is one of the best Oracle teams in NZ, however some of the other stuff Synergy does leaves a lot to be desired. Probably the only exception to this some good/some bad rule is EDS, seems like everything they do is

Um that's like any company with more than 2 people. I just a little bit "pissy" that people automatically assume that I'm a brain dead corporate citizen who has taken the easy employment route.

I have two goals in life.

1. Feed my family.

2. Enjoy at least a small part of the process of earning the money to feed my family.

If I didn't like it at all I'd leave. I've wasted too much time pouring my spirit into other people's businesses to make that mistake again.

Bagging major IT employers to people who are just starting to look at the industry as an opportunity is like telling 250 riders to F__k off when they want to go for a ride with you.

**matthewt** · 25th November 2004, 20:57

Good to see another cbc grad here. I did my cbc in 89, started the advanced cbc but flagged it after I started working (too busy). Spent 3 years in chch doing DBA and network support, then 3 years in asia supporting software, then moved to wgtn where I've been for the last 9 years doing just DBA stuff.

Probably the toughest thing is to get a break somewhere. I was lucky that in my first job I was the new kid and when this flash Oracle system turned up the other guys ran fearing it was going to be a nightmare. It's ended up paying my way ever since.

**Antallica** · 25th November 2004, 20:58

I still reckon I should have taken the job at PB Technologies, depresses me sometimes that I passed up the only opportinity I got. For gods sake somebody give me something IT related!

**matthewt** · 25th November 2004, 21:05

Originally Posted by Jim2

Bagging major IT employers to people who are just starting to look at the industry as an opportunity is like telling 250 riders to F__k off when they want to go for a ride with you.

awwww, you're just saying that coz you work for Datacom