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    I've found with jap import diesels that the diesel pump/injection tends to be set fairly rich.
    Its not an apsolute -every time by by and large thats the case.
    by giving it a run and getting it up to temp for an hour you are "blowing out the cobwebs" ready for the adjustments--if needed to be made
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    What is the difference between a hiace and a liteace (one is higher and one is lighter)?
    the hiace is bigger by quite a lot
    Rear liteace deck is only about 2.0m long --Ive fitted Jorjas lil yb125 in there-Just
    Hiace is at least 2.7 in the back
    --Hiace 2.7 standard,2.9 long wheel base and 3.1 jumbo
    This is all rear deck lenth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    Yup! Agree! I had a Nissan Caravan, (had 2), which is the Homy with another badge. The 2.3 and 2.7 motors are the old pushrod type and as reliable as a brick! Slower than other vans, though, but very reliable. My last Caravan was the turbo 2.7 GT coach and a beautiful, fast, reliable vehicle! The turbo just went so well!
    Nissan Caravan here with the 2.7 D. Very low geared. I think of it as a 4 spd with underdrive.
    180000km and running sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordieBoy View Post
    Nissan Caravan here with the 2.7 D. Very low geared. I think of it as a 4 spd with underdrive.
    180000km and running sweet.

    Actually, I noticed that, as my work van was an auto and I thought it was about the slowest vehicle I could get, then I drove a mate's manual and I reckoned it was slower! Very undergeared and noisy compared to my auto.

    However the turbo coach was like a whole different animal! Auto again, but fast both in top speed and acceleration almost matched a Hi Ace 3lt turbo coach I followed one day. He could pull away but I was heavily loaded on a holiday trip and he just had him and his Missus on board.

    Best coach I owned was an '84 Hi Ace Custom, 2.4 diesel, five speed column shift manual. It had had the head done, and topped out, (on a deserted back road), at 155km/h indicated! Pulled incredibly well up the Kaimais to the point where I was often asked if it was a turbo! Very good ride and handling, better than the Nissan's.
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    My Hiace was the same--revvin ints head off at 100km/h I could take off in second even with a bike on board.
    Majic Motu sorted me out with a different diff ($1600 worth)
    Now it struggles a tiny bit in first gear with two bikes and genset and tyres etc etc on board but the fuel economy is fantastic -the fuel saving alone has paid the $1600 back by now.
    IF YOU CAN I definitely reccomend a buying the coach version rather than the commercial version
    The comfort level is unbelieveably different.
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    ok showing my ignorance again - what's the diff between a coach & commercial version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    ok showing my ignorance again - what's the diff between a coach & commercial version?

    Don't apologise for ignorance! Your attitude is great!

    A coach will have a lot more insulation, be quieter, have opening windows an of course more bling! One of the most important things, though, is that it will probably have higher gearing as well, which makes a long trip much more comfortable. More comfy seats which can be removed if required.
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    Well that sounds like a much better option, not sure how to identify - I guess you can just tell by looking but is it usually included in the model name in some way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    Well that sounds like a much better option, not sure how to identify - I guess you can just tell by looking but is it usually included in the model name in some way?

    Usually very obvious which is coach or van, browse Trade Me checking a few out, and you'll soon pick up the differences. The guy I sold, (reluctantly), my Nissan Coach to was going to take the rear seats out and use it for work and being a 4 wheel drive, for launching his boat, then for the holiday period put the seats in.

    Last Summer I took out the rear bench seat, turned the middle "Captain's Chairs" around and put a double bed in. Great! Front and rear air-con, lots of roof lights, tinted windows with curtains! We had a ball!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    ok showing my ignorance again - what's the diff between a coach & commercial version?
    be carfull if you get the coach it will most likely have a higher floor which means if you ever want to fit bike in you will put in on its side also steer clear of the toyota 2L motors same as were in the surfs very common for cracking heads other wise toyotas just keep going diesel just remember to do regular services

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    As with anything rust is the killer. After early to mid 90s they got better painted with dipping of most panels, but the pillars are the major area to watch for. Toyota red tends to oxidise pretty badly, I have a 95 2.4 petrol in red. Have to keep polishing it to keep the paint in check. This century paints are far more stable uv wise. ZR is std wheelbase, ZL long.

    I'm going to paint it when I next get a bonus as I'm keeping it, only has 250k on the clock (got it at 66k). For occasional runs I'd go petrol. There is a formula for when disease-als get worth it, used to be around 30-40 thou a year. Maybe this has changed.

    I used to run one of the real old mid 80s vanettes with the 1500 engine. That was a gem & had great pulling power for the tiny engine & handled like a car. Was big enough for most bikes, but is a push. Rust killed it after many fixups.
    The HiAce was a major upgrade, double sliding doors are great (customs won't have that).
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    A Coach is a totally different spec vehicle
    1)normally have comfortable front seats.
    2)if you leave the middle seats in and just remove the rears and by the door seat you have a legal 4 seat vehicle
    3) being fully lined its shit loads quieter
    4) being fully lined you can comfotably sleep in it.
    5)the suspension package is different--a commercial usually has suspension set up for carrying big loads. Again makes them heaps nicer to drive.
    6) the air con works
    7)they have gear ratio's better suited to open road speeds.

    What I would do in a coach is order a set of overlenth rear door stays
    Thattl lift the door edge another 500mm when open--makes loading bikes heaps easier
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    Quote Originally Posted by bert_is_evil View Post
    I'm looking to buy a van in the next few months so have been browsing around at what's available. In previous threads the majority of people have said a Toyota Hiace is the way to go, but I've noticed that they cost substantially more than Nissan Vannette/Mazda Bongo with similar k's - anyone know why that is? I'd be keen to hear of peoples experiences with the vannette/bongo vans, their reliability etc.
    Because the Hi-Ace is unbeatable when it comes to vans, we picked one up for $9995 about 4 years ago, 96' i think, hasn't missed a beat, just the usual, tyres....very low mantainance.

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    ok it's becoming fairly clear that I know f*&k all about cars (well van's anyway)! Thanks for all the useful info so far, it looks like I'd be better off with a coach for my purposes. I'm guessing they are a bit more expensive of course.
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    the Toyota is emphatically a better vehicle. Try and spend a bit more if you can - particularly if you can get something with the 1KZ-TE Engine in it. These go like a haunted shithouse. Don't worry about hi-K's on toyotas.

    As has been stated - it must start instantly and idle without so much as ONE miss or cough from DEAD COLD (first start of the day.) You will get the usual tiny puff of grey on start.

    If the engine has been pre-warmed or driven that day then organise to come back another day first thing in the morning, and see its first-start-of-the-day. If they won't permit this then WALK AWAY. Put your hand on the engine first to check if it has been warmed up. If a diesel engine even falters slightly on a dead cold start then it is on borrowed time. (except for a old battery)

    Preferably start the engine yourself, or ask them to use no throttle at all when starting.

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