Fuck the Police!

[Quartermile]

First of all you find someone addicted to cocaine or crack. You then aquire some of the above mentioned drug. You quietly talk to the addict and calmly explain your situation over a few lines and a few drinks. All conversations should be in private, best place would be an abandoned country road. If the conversation goes well you have yourself a hitman.

[Bikernereid]

Hey B1N - I am honestly ... not having a go at your or those in your profession. I respect it tremendously but...

Yes - I firmly believe many are there from a deep seated need to self actualise and find a framework from which they can understand their own problems, and somehow rationalise or fix theiir world view.

It's like asking "Is there a higher incidence of peadolphiles among primary and kindergarten teachers". Sadly - yes... it's an attractive vocation to those so inclined.

Some of us are going into this profession because we genuinely want to help people and care. If people don't get that by trying to help those is prison to not reoffend we are helping to save future potential victims then they are just too bloody daft.



Agreed. It's the "worth their salt"" but I have trouble with though. It's only through a peer review system WITH Psyche's worth their salt that the warts and weeds get frozen and sprayed (respectively).

The majority of concepts and appproaches vary so widely, and are interspersed with high level meta-analyses and psychobabble the averge "troubled joe" has no idea of the value of the potentail damaging crap being fed to them - with the exception of the hourly rate.

You have to admit it's far from a hard science...

How can you say that neuropsychology is not hard science? Yes there are different prspectives but all humans are not the same abd have different opinions and thoeries, thank God. This thread is a perfvect example. Some like myself and I am pleased to say a number of others are not pro revenge but others seemt o have the lynch mob mentality. No I do not agree with them but they propose another solution to a problem, much like psychology. It is only by being open-minded and humble enought to say that we are constantly learning and that we have to adapt when new information comes to light that we can progress. Physicists and biologists ('scientist') have been foudn to have proposed wrong thoeries too- world was flat not so long ago!!


Should be looking at ALL areas, not other areas.

Yes look at improving all areas but stop proposing scape goats. if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.

[Waylander]

Texas has crime sorted, I have heard(and before i get killed for saying this its only somehting I heard) that you can legaly defend yourself, property and FAMILY, with lethal force in Texas.

Tis true.
Had a cop tell my mom once that if someone ever tried to get in the house, shoot him before he got in then move him inside and hose down the porch.
Was in Uvalde though, population about 3k. Different story in the big cities.

[Forest]

Originally posted by candor
The average for these types is to have abused 200 to 300 kids I was told when I trained - a stat that came from the sex offenders unit at a CHCH prison I think.

Recidivism is their middle name. But its the Courts not the Police. There is a bit of a paed ring among lawyers (and ? therefore Judges)that I'm aware of from things confided to me as a psyc nurse by both adult survivors - confirmed by things told to me by low lifes (the lawyers mates who groom and provide kids) who got caught themselves.

To my knowledge none of the upper rung have been caught and some still practise law - defense lawyer is the trade of one who pays well. We won't get real sentences till the sickness gets out of the legal system.

You have good cause to obsess over this injustice - but karma will get him even if it takes years. Meanwhile his reputation will be screwed which is some punishment in itself. But it will get him in a surprising way, just have faith - without you needing to engineer or instigate in any way. Seen poetic justice just happen many times.

And if not soon, I guarantee (having nursed some dying creeps) that his conscience will make him have a tortured dying period. These types fight death as they know they aint done life right - a fear and anxiety grips them.

How much more evidence do you need to know that judges who hand out these kind of sentences are involved in pedophilia? Just like the judge who sentenced me to 200 hours community service for making cannabis butter then in the next moment sentenced a pedophile to 3 months PD for molesting 3 boys under the age of 12??? Try and tell me that judge didn't get off on hearing the gory details of that case. It is a FACT that there are pedophiles in every walk of life. Justice dept and the force are no different! The only difference is that they ARE the law so take it upon themselves to protect one another.

Sorry, but that is complete crap.

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.

I invite you to research this before you reply.

[Goblin]

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.

Yes and priests and clergymen, scout leaders, school and kindy teachers, health professionals and even police fall into this category as well. Do you honestly think that judges and lawyers dont have family and close friends they can groom their children for the purpose of sexual gratification? We are all brainwashed to have blind faith in these pillars of society so is it any wonder they get away with it??

Are you a lawyer??

[slimjim]

bro , real sorry to read pity you didn't fuck him up prior to court , cause then you'll have seven month's home with your loved one's , don't stress uti will come around time has no limit's

[candor]

Sorry, but that is complete crap.

The overwhelming majority of childhood sexual abuse in NZ is perpetrated by relatives, or family friends, of the victims.

I invite you to research this before you reply.

Not sure what you're calling crap. Inmates at Kia Whakamarama have an average of over 200 victims according to staff who lectured us.
These victims would be family or friend kids on the whole.

Often the people will spend a few years targeting a / some kids then will move - we call it "doing a geographical" or go up in puff of somke when victims are reaching an age they can tell -or no longer are young enough to flick the offenders "turn on" switch.

Having changed social sets or location - they then target a fresh kid or crop by inveigling themselves into a new social scene. It is an addiction you see, so the whole life is based around feeding it.

My research comes from having worked in forensic psychiatry with offenders and in general psyc wards where the victims tell their stories - pretty solid research I reckon. Atop that we were taught about the behaviours and mentality of these people as an essential part of my degree.

Suspect those you wouldn't suspect - they are adept at presenting as good guys - trusty etc.

The rich need not take the risk of praying on friend or familys kids or even kids in their community. Lowlifes in NZ will prostitute their kids or kids of people they know. Again I know such people and their victims from my worklife.

If you don't think there are paed rings - given a big hand by the new presence of the internet I'd say you're a bit naive. Yes most paeds act alone but there have always been some organised rings. The higher status the harder to catch. This most vertainly id reflected in the soft and PC attitude of some lawyers and Judges who have dirty hands.

An example of how some offenders wear the "liberalise justice" PC mask as a way to hide guilt would be that Priest Consedine who campaigned long and hard for restorative justice and abolition of imprisonment sentences. Caught out as a molester or something wasn't he? And the replacement now is Kim Workman.

Those who play social Justice campaigner will often have the most to hide, and the most to gain from "a compassionate approach to offenders". Being a social justice campaigner is all part of fooling the world, which psychopaths get some kind of perverse kick from. "No-one really knows me -I'm so clever." P Camaraderie is real.

Unless the framework for assessing has changed since I trained (long ago) there was 3 types
- immature (but sane) ie remains a kid inside so relates only to kids
- sadistic (but sane) ie likes bullying, dominating, and making others feel pain or powerless as a means to feel godlike or get back at hated people or an"unfair world" that does not recognise your greatness - Tui! Or needs to see others suffer extremely in order to even feel anything, because of prevailing emotional deadness.
- mentally ill eg psychotic / deluded etc so not really responsible eg might think crazy stuff like that the kid is their dead wife reborn, as a result of mental illness.

[candor]

Goblin - you must spread...

[_Gina_]

Yes and priests and clergymen, scout leaders, school and kindy teachers, health professionals and even police fall into this category as well. Do you honestly think that judges and lawyers dont have family and close friends they can groom their children for the purpose of sexual gratification? We are all brainwashed to have blind faith in these pillars of society so is it any wonder they get away with it??
Are you a lawyer??

... if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.

Technically you are correct, however, as Kelly's post above details, there are flaws in the systems that need to be addressed before any real effect can occur which would end with children not being raped or used for the personal gratification of these manipulative, narcissistic, totally egocentric inadequate losers.

The point I was making is probably best put this way;
How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
The answer is only one, but only if the light bulb wants to change.

[Unit:Me]

I think you're spot on about that last bit!
A decent law-abiding person is left powerless when the legal system fails them. The wrong has not been righted, nor even addresses properly.

For me personally the most frustrating thing would be that my primal urges all of a sudden would seem appropriate and justified - even when I, from a rational perspective, know that such behaviour is unacceptable.

I hope I shall never find out how much it would take for me to become a vigilante!

For what my little bit is worth.
Chris' beautiful daughter is a delight to have in our home. She is strong, like her father, but this statement should not reduce the effect on her.
The 'offender' pleaded guilty. Chris and his daughters mother were told because of this they did not need (nor their daughter) to appear. Chris was just down the road the day of the trial, and was available to be there. It had been put off several times due to the 'offenders' normal lawyer games with the system, which the judge on the day got pissy about. The cops dropped the ball at the last minute, the most crucial time.
Now, there is a far less than acceptable result.
I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

[Mom]

I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

Love you guys!

Nice words. Kia kaha!

[doc]

Yes look at improving all areas but stop proposing scape goats. if you are not happy with the systems then use your political rights to get some changes made.

Wait till you immigrate to NZ and see how effective we are at getting changes changes made. Its a waste of time here.

[Cache Wraith]

I appreciate that DMNTD is pretty gutted about the situation, and understandably so, but this thread is a disgrace.

[ManDownUnder]

For what my little bit is worth.

That's no litle bit, sounds like you both set the bar high. Awesome, and total respect!

I have so much respect for Chris as a father (and my partner) for
a) Initially entrusting in the law we all know is riddled with bollix
b) Maintaining a calm I know is drawn from an inner strength few would ever understand
c) Being the extrodinary father I witness everyday.
d) Dealing with this as he should
We are a strong family and definately on our side. No matter what, I know Chris will ensure his daughter is not put in this sort of harms way again

I was tempted to edit your post for space sake but - no, it's worth reading and I think a lot of people on here could learn for the examples you two are.

I think it's fair to say quite a few in here will happily stand alongside you both... betweeen that precious little lady and harm.

[007XX]

That's no litle bit, sounds like you both set the bar high. Awesome, and total respect!



I was tempted to edit your post for space sake but - no, it's worth reading and I think a lot of people on here could learn for the examples you two are.

I think it's fair to say quite a few in here will happily stand alongside you both... betweeen that precious little lady and harm.

What he said...DMNTD & Unit, you guys both know who you can count on in here, and that'd a truckload of folks including the likes of myself and 007XY.

You two are good decent folks and for those who don't know you: Do not presume to know someone by the way they come across on here.