Road rage incident

[gtr boy]

just talkn to chris hocquard,great guy,does the free legal bit every thursday on bfm
were going to enter no plea,get a stand down for two weeks or so and wait for the rogers guy,john matthews,to get charged
then go from there
chris said cops would have charged me with "assault",so as i was in the system and the courts can sort out the rest.......

cheers for all your input ,comments guys and girls ,top notch....

[Mikkel]

What about a collection for the man? The spirit of KB etc.............

I thought you would be provided with judical assistance if you were charged with a criminal offense here in NZ.

Is it not so?

[gtr boy]

Good point there.

If you can prove that you didn't approach his vehicle - but that he came at you, then you should be about half way there to prove self-defense! If the altercation happened near your motorcycle and not the ute then that should be easy.

Did the cops get statements from the both of you at the roadside? Did you cover positioning?

was still getting my kick stand down and he was three steeps away from me.
looks like ive got a case.
cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

[Mikkel]

was still getting my kick stand down and he was three steeps away from me.
looks like ive got a case.
cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

In that case I think you'll be sweet mate!

Could be a routine matter of charging the person who strikes the first blow with assault - any resident coppers who can comment on this?

From the rather aggresive/borderline psycopathic behaviour blood and urine tests might be in order to establish whether drugs could be involved.

[ElCoyote]

I thought you would be provided with judical assistance if you were charged with a criminal offense here in NZ.

Is it not so?

If you are referring to legal aid, you need to be of the ethnicity of the offender and/or without a job. Cultivating, armed thuggery or breaking and entering are non work related activities. Our man is on a hiding to nothing.

[quallman1234]

Faster bike needed?

[Manxman]

Yea what the hell,i will put in $20 although i dont want it seen as some kind of anti cop thing,the way i see it the cop did his job as he must on the spur of the moment but i dont believe its the right decision,my $20 will be given on the facts being as outlined in the first post and to see the txting psycho put in his place,if someone wants to organize it then pm me with an account to put it in etc.

More like anti road rage d*ckhead from what I see, not anti cop.

[Nagash]

Good on yah Craig.. need to get me some armoured gloves..

[imdying]

This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.

As much as I hate to say it, this is the reason why Big Dave is the only one making real sense here. Whack some arsehole that truly deserves it right in the snout, potentially you can kill them... weak heart, whatever. Can't imagine doing time over some loser that you could have avoided would be much fun. Unless you can do away with the body, much better off running... but don't chop it up and put it in a suitcase, that's been proven not to work

[mstriumph]

Sorry about your troubles gtr.

My cheap advice is that if i find myself in similar situation now, I just chuck a U turn, ride up the footpath - whatever - ignore the losers, exit the situation and head to where I'm going another way.

I know that no matter what happens that makes me the winner. Life ain't worth the pain of even acknowledging the fucktards.

what he said ......understandable you were riled but ...... you have options on a bike most 4 wheels don't have

[marty]

It's called preemptive strike. I can't remember the case law, but I know a few cops that have got off being charged with assault by using it. If your options to retreat/escape are limited, and the situation was one that you may have been able to avoid in the first place, then defence via pre-emptive strike may be your best course of action.

[madandy]

Crimes Act 1961.
48. "Self defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use."



but get our self a good lawyer... If he grabbed you first "assaulted you" you only did what was needed to "defend" your self in the circumstances that you beleived them to be, IE verbal abuse, vehicular assault, physical assault......

Fuck the apologetic letter fella, stand up for your rights. About time someone took a stand for common sense. The judge should throw the case out and tell the police prosecutor to fuck off and stop wasting court time........ easy for me to say from the keyboard I know, but this fecks me of no end, so someone got aggro, someone got a punch in the head for their efforts, might make a few people think more before they want to nut off at a motorcyclist..................

Mate if you grab a cops shoulder or any other part of him then your done for assulting a police officer (if he/she deems it so) so am guessing that by grabbing you then the guy has commited the assault and as you say the rest is self defence,if me i wouldnt lie down,may cost but definately worth getting a lawyer and defending it.

Maori's are a protected species. You are not allowed to harm them in any way. This includes verbal abuse. You should have taken a beating like a man and respected his cultural beliefs.

Yeah, that's how it is most places.

A good argument for striking once and striking really really hard. ("But I only hit him once your honour - are you suggesting I just stand there and take it?")
Or even better - don't punch, just grab and throw... Gravity is a harsh teacher, I can assure you of this

WTF? This guy could have been a gorilla! Fuck that, swing to drop the cunt first. I'll not hesitate after my experience (headbutted by a Headhunter gangmember).

This is serious stuff. You should NEVER let someone hit you first. It could be a 'lights out' situation.

You have to choose to either attack by trying to get the first punch in OR defend by making sure his windpipe makes contact with your boot as you attempt to block his charge.

Getting hit is not one of those two options.

You cannot be prosecuted for assult if someone has got out of their vehicle to fight you.

Good luck.

As much as I hate to say it, this is the reason why Big Dave is the only one making real sense here. Whack some arsehole that truly deserves it right in the snout, potentially you can kill them... weak heart, whatever. Can't imagine doing time over some loser that you could have avoided would be much fun. Unless you can do away with the body, much better off running... but don't chop it up and put it in a suitcase, that's been proven not to work

Sorry about your troubles gtr.

My cheap advice is that if i find myself in similar situation now, I just chuck a U turn, ride up the footpath - whatever - ignore the losers, exit the situation and head to where I'm going another way.

I know that no matter what happens that makes me the winner. Life ain't worth the pain of even acknowledging the fucktards.

I have to agree with all of the above because they are all how I would feel in the same situation, depending on my mood.
Emotionally I would wish bad things to happen to the bastard.
But ultimately Big Dave is on the money.
Pull a U-turn & get the fuck outta there. He may have been a real mean brawler.
Alternatively you could have taken one for the team and cut the cunt's throat.

Good luck with the defence and glad you walked away unhurt.

[sAsLEX]

,just went at it he had to charge me with assault.....

Then he would of had to have charged the other guy as well

chris said cops would have charged me with "assault",so as i was in the system and the courts can sort out the rest.......

Yeah discretion...... shame they don't teach that anymore

cops got all details ,the cop that took me to the cop shop said good on me as well ......

And you still get charged, go NZ! Where the victims get done by the crims and then the courts!

[BiK3RChiK]

Chin up, mate! Sounds like it could get withdrawn if you ask me... Probably had to show the loser he was doing his job.

M

[Big Dave]

Pull a U-turn & get the fuck outta there. He may have been a real mean brawler.

Or has fried parts of his brain to gelatenous corridors of mush with a glass pipe and can use two tons of metal as a weapon.

It's hard to do, laugh and ride away, even harder if you can handle yourself, but where gtr is turns out to be one of the favourable outcomes. (not on your case gtr - respec - annoyed you are charged)

I've scouted every path, laneway, cycleway and exit route in greater Auckland that I can find. Why I have an urban ADV bike and you never know who you might need to duck. :-)