Motorcyclist dead in Eskdale Rd Glenfield (21 March)

[swbarnett]

with their wanton vandilsim of the neighbourhood

Have you seen the photos earlier in this thread?

From what I can gather the owner's gave their permission for messages to be written on the wall. My wife and I used to live only one flat away from the wall in question and, assuming that the owners are still the same, this dies not surprise me. They were very decent and likeable folk.

[ManDownUnder]

OK lets take some steam out of this.

My fundamental assertion is that no-one in here knows all the facts. ElCoyote in your post below you confirm what you believe, but my question is a simple one - do you actually know. That's all I'm asking of anyone - do you actually KNOW the facts because to me this whole damned thread is full of anti theif accusations, pouring scorn upon the guy and his friends and wishing the worst on everyone around them when we should actually be big enough to stand up and admit we don't know all the facts and we are not in a position to pass judgement.

THAT is what I am defending.

The other issue I have (unrelated to the first) is the number of people wishing death on theives. That punishment doesn not fit the crime -if it did I'm confident the entire human race would be wiped out in the course of 30 years through accidental, childish or malicious acts of theivery.

Or are we simply talking about serious theft (in which case you need to define "serious"). Where do you draw the line, and at what point does it become a capital offence?

All I want is for us to consider the facts. I think the only fact we have is that we don't know all the facts... and should moderate our thinking, and especially our judgements of the people concerned accordingly.

No?

As for wishing you on the back let me quantify that statement. I do not believe that the bike was bought without knowing it was stolen.

Unless you were part to the transaction or in contact with those that were... how could you know that?

If the rider was blameless (in any area) he would have not tried to outrun the Police. Had he been licenced and competent on a bike this tragedy would not have happened. Even licensed (if that was the case) he made a bad call and the cure was worse than the disease.

Agreed, the cure was considerably worse than whatever the problem was. Compounding this is the fact we do not know what that problem was... do we?

If you condone the actions of his "mates" with their wanton vandilsim of the neighbourhood then YES I wish you had been on the back. What better way to grow up than to be confronted with your own mortality.

I understand (but am not certain) the neighbours ok'd the writing on their wall. If not then quite right hold those responsible for their actions. No problem. But if I am right then there's a lot of scorn being poured on some innocents here, writing on the wall they were actually invited to write on.

If you have difficulty with this then PLEASE attempt to steal my bike or graffiti my property and perhaps we will then be reading off the same page and hopefully your intravenous tubes will allow you to hear me.

Stick to the facts will ya? Threats never add weight to an argument.

[marty]

Indeed, perspective would be nice. Exactly how do you know the bike was stolen? Evidence would be nice.... please feel free to share.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68731

[Curious_AJ]

a friend who works with me knew this guy personally. She says there is a lot of controversy amoung friends and family about his death. Apparently some of his mates were complete dicks and have been convicted of stealing cars etc in the past... She's not sure if he stole the bike himself, but he may have bought a hot bike without knowing it... no one knows... but in either case... RIP biker.

[ManDownUnder]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=68731

Yup - got that.

Now - what is the link from that event to Grim riding it? I.e. through what sequence of events did it come into his possession, and again, what facts are backing up/supporting those claims?

[Swoop]

If the rider was blameless (in any area) he would have not tried to outrun the Police.

Hasn't it been clearly stated that the police were not in pursuit? They were going the other way to a burglary callout.

[WelshWizard]

Hasn't it been clearly stated that the police were not in pursuit? They were going the other way to a burglary callout.

Sorry that mean knowt, our little village shop got held up by some crims with shot guns, the husband of the women in the shop was in the back and realised what was going on phoned the cops, he was told not to upset the crims, and they would send some one when they were free, 3 days latter the cops arived, in the mean time less than 6 Ks away about 10 cops had a booze stop withabout 4 cars that never moved to the crime scene.

[ElCoyote]

Hasn't it been clearly stated that the police were not in pursuit? They were going the other way to a burglary callout.

It most certainly has has been mentioned ad nauseum, however the rider didn't know the lights were not for him and chose the course of action that killed him.

[YellowDog]

"but he may have bought a hot bike without knowing it""

Surely this is more insulting to him and his memory than any of the other accusations.

Best for his friends and family to focus on the good and positive aspects of his life.

[ManDownUnder]

Hasn't it been clearly stated that the police were not in pursuit? They were going the other way to a burglary callout.

It most certainly has has been mentioned ad nauseum, however the rider didn't know the lights were not for him and chose the course of action that killed him.

So the lights and sirens caused him to react ending in the fatal accident???

How do you know all this stuff? It's amasing.

[Swoop]

So the lights and sirens caused him to react ending in the fatal accident???

How do you know all this stuff? It's amasing.

Merely going on the statement that the police officer made. That is all. I haven't speculated on what might have happened to the rider after that, but I do have private suspicions.

[fire eyes]

Any sympathy I would feel, would be greatly outweighed by the pissed off feelings of having my bike stolen.

What exactly is the problem you fuckwits have with that? Were you little crims yourselves at one time? Are your kids little shits and are always in trouble with the law? Is this why you find such an attitude shocking?

A tragic situation right across the board directly & indirectly, my heart goes out to all those involved. Sometimes when situations frustrate or infuriate us a wise course of action is to be step back and try to understand why we feel this way about them. Then our energy can be better utilized by participating in pro-active solutions or encouraging problem-solving.

[ManDownUnder]

....but I do have private suspicions.

Total respect. Yes. as do I.

[Curious_AJ]

"but he may have bought a hot bike without knowing it""

Surely this is more insulting to him and his memory than any of the other accusations.

Best for his friends and family to focus on the good and positive aspects of his life.

yeah i know... fair enough, i'm just stating what i heard from someone who knows him... I got the impression from her, that he wasn't very bright in choosing mates or making decisions.. but as i've only heard a smidge, i'm not going to say much else here except that i agree with you in saying that they should honour the good....

[ElCoyote]

So the lights and sirens caused him to react ending in the fatal accident???

How do you know all this stuff? It's amasing.

Just call me Claire