Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[scrivy]

As were all of us Ivan but dont forget we all had the temerity to express opinions not in agreement and therefore incurred his vile wrath. We should all apologise profusely and offer reperations....

er Robert, you can call me a c#@%, then pay me reparations.....

[Clivoris]

Why can't MNZ hold a conference that isn't in a far away location (out of reach to most members), and actually debate the classes, formulas etc with the actual riders????? When was this last done? When were us riders ever consulted on issues for our classes?
Wouldn't this point us all in the right direction?
Scrivy

In my opinion MNZ mostly does a good job. Any organisation representing such a diverse group is going to piss people off and make decisions that some don't like. I wouldn't do it for quids. No matter where conference is held it will still be too far for some. The debate and discussion goes on all the time at club and national level.

[scracha]

I don't want to bash MNZ on this thread, but (please excuse my naivety), what did MNZ do this year to promote the series?

Blingo. But somehow the valid point/question Idol was trying to make about MNZ (being hopeless) has been sidetracked by umm...himself due to him ranting about the same old F3 / Supermotards crap that's been played over a dozen times (F3 RACERS had a petition, they voted to not have the motards...end of story basically).

[scracha]

And I'd hardly call scracha a youth

Fucker......

[Subike]

This MNZ sounds like they are all members of our government, there for the people they represent, but only listen to the sounds that come from inside the walls they meet in, and make the rules to justify their own agenders .Money in the coffers.

(backs out and runs fast>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that way)

[Goblin]

No I didnt say it was motards fautls Im saying the risk of a serious crash is high because of bigger hadlebars, If you read what I had to say were motards brushing handlebars on you isnt safe

They did it because riders were sayign we dont want to share the track with them and the majority of good motard riders were devoured(sp) by the bad ones who were hanging out and I know of a few incidents of riders having a motard flick the arse half bend and slam a F3 bike and send the F3 bike into the dirt,

Sadly I dotn want to share the track with a motard they have there own class and they run there own meetings if they can share track with me can i take my biek into motards to inialte them cause my 93 RS is a CR125 engine

Not having a go at you personally Ivan, I actually really respect you as a racer. I have seen motard riders nearly taken out by road racers. I was taken out by a clown on a brand new SV650 in practice because he was trying to keep up with a motard. Even the top racers in Production Superbike and Sports Production sometimes swap paint. It's all part of racing and the risk we take. I still believe that handlebar height has nothing to do with it as it's down to the rider and how they handle any given situation.

[Chrislost]

Before the new rules kicked them out, F3 was almost half motard. Now it's a fucking bore again full of expensive outdated crap.
The 'riders' with the biggest whines won the day and motorcycle racing in NZ lost.

MNZ has always sucked up to the sponsors and it has never been transparent. How else did those 'production' wire wheel katanas ever get away with burgling proddy races way back then?
Suzuki Japan never produced the 120HP wire wheels; they were a cheat from start to finish and should have been banned and their results nullified. They weren't of course, wonder why?

So they spent more money, made better bikes and got hated for it?
I cant see why another manufacturer couldn't have do the same?

In racing there will always be people that will get whats fastest if they can or bend rules and make somthing faster.
Ive been to a few trackdays and had a lot of fun playing with motards. Im sure racing them would be the same.

[codgyoleracer]

I didnt sign the petition & agree that if the engine spec fits let it race. Motards do take different lines, you can see them lap after lap when you follow them & they dont really differ lap by lap. Once you know where they going - they are easy to dust as they brake like pooftas & are damm slow in a straight line............. :-) They have strengths in mid corner speed though & get off the line pretty quick. This makes the race "intersting/fun" (if your amongst them) & - thats what your out there doing isint it ?.

The only point that might be arguable in my opinion is the width of the bars - in respect of there abilty to become tangled with other riders in close side-by-side racing at high speeds.
Glen

[jrandom]

I didnt sign the petition & agree that if the engine spec fits let it race.

There you go, the current F3 national champion agrees with Idle.

(Can I get this post autographed, Glen?)

It's starting to sound to me like the folk who signed the petition are just a bunch of nancyboys afraid of falling off.



Cry havoc, I say, and let slip the 'tards of war!

[Ivan]

Not having a go at you personally Ivan, I actually really respect you as a racer. I have seen motard riders nearly taken out by road racers. I was taken out by a clown on a brand new SV650 in practice because he was trying to keep up with a motard. Even the top racers in Production Superbike and Sports Production sometimes swap paint. It's all part of racing and the risk we take. I still believe that handlebar height has nothing to do with it as it's down to the rider and how they handle any given situation.

Nah I know what you mean.
And I have nothing against what you are saying, At times when im allready in a bad mood I need to back of from these threads as the ginger comes out and I get on my high horseand wont want to back down.

As Codgy said its mainly in close level racing the handlebars come into issue, Im for one into racing against differnt bikes etc but sadly Ive been put off Motards with road, Nothing against motard riders they rule and when its all motards its a good race one of the few I go and watch on race day.

But the Majority of thesemotard guys are only interested in on road how coe they dotn do a Roland Sands idea and put a ZX6R etc front end on there bike with clipons and Honda or Yamaha 250 GP bike Fairings on and thatd be one sick ride

[Goblin]

But the Majority of these motard guys are only interested in on road how come they dotn do a Roland Sands idea and put a ZX6R etc front end on there bike with clipons and Honda or Yamaha 250 GP bike Fairings on and thatd be one sick ride

There was one out at the last MotoTT trackday that looked just like a regular road racebike with fairings and clipons. Not sure if it was a yz 450 or what because I never got the chance to go see it in the pits but it sure went well!
If I ever got the chance I'd be keen as on European Motard and a crack at BEARS racing.

[Ivan]

Awsome.

I knwo Jason Easton had a Tig Craft YZ450F engine in a Tigcraft tube chassis designed for the YZ450F engine and use RS125 Honda Swing arm triple clamps forks and rims excet the rims needed to be modified to adapt a better sprocket carrier more robust for its use

And also a guy did the 06 Road Race Spec he was on board a Honda RS125 full rolling Chassis Modified to fit a CRF450 engine that thing was absolutely nuts such a perfect combination for that short Taupo track except it was real hard on the tires

[vinducati]

I have to say i really enjoyed the Road racing Rounds this year.
I think MNZ are putting on a good show.
Getting riders from Aussie and the USA like we had this year was a good thing.
F2 was great.
F3 I enjoyed.
I reckon a big field of motards is good as well, I prefer seeing them all together not mixed in.
As far as BEARS, good on them as well.
Motorcycling is a small enough sport without infighting.
Look at Speedway, solo bikes had a falling out long ago, now the solo scene is tiny.
I always thought that if MNZ could run a few races at the big car meeting safely it would be a good way to get the sport in front of larger crowds.
Also means you piggie back on TV coverage etc.
Anyhow, cheers.

[scott411]

MNZ is only its members, they elect its officals, every member has the same right to vote, its conferences are open to all members, and are normally held n the middle of the coutnry somewhere, (nelson this year, wellington for the last 2)

they tried runnign with the car meetings a few years back, not to sure why that died but it may have been because the car guys do not want them thier as they have to many classes as it is,

as per the f3 vs motards thing, motards kept f3 fields big, and saved the class for a while, but with them all out now f3 is back to being fairly small, its a done argument, i do not agree with the decision that was made, but hte f3 riders signed the petition, and they got thier way, that is democracey at work,

as for the SUper Single Bikes, i know thier are a lot of people talking about making them, me inlcuded, but the price puts poeple off, for one, and the great thing about a motard bike is you can put your dirt wheels back on and go trail riding or mxing with less than 30 minutes work, its a big draw card to have one bike that can do it all,

qas for the bears debate, a one off meeting is easy to pull off than a series, the Sound of thunder boys did a great job a promoting to thier market, but they never tried to runa series out of it as it would have diluted the effect, and i have always had a problem with a bears class at normal race meetings, epecailly when its the only class you are aloud to cross enter into, all bikes are created equal in my eyes.

[k14]

The only point that might be arguable in my opinion is the width of the bars - in respect of there abilty to become tangled with other riders in close side-by-side racing at high speeds.
Glen

I used to be of the opinion that they are fine to be in the class and anyone should be able to ride.

Till at ruapuna one day I nearly had a big off (and the motard rider actually did fall off) after he got his handlebar caught over my neck when I was going past him. Was quite a scary experience. He actually crashed trying to get us untangled. I ran off the track doing 130 odd. I have also had another instance where I was nearly clotheslined by one when I was trying to go round the outside of him.

Their lines are a bit of an annoyance sometimes but its a bit of a cop out to say that its unsafe.

I signed the petition only due to the safety issues of the way in which the handlebars got caught on me. If it was another 125 or road racing bike we would have just touched elbows (pretty normal for 125's) and been ready for the next corner.