Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[idleidolidyll]

In my opinion MNZ mostly does a good job. Any organisation representing such a diverse group is going to piss people off and make decisions that some don't like. I wouldn't do it for quids. No matter where conference is held it will still be too far for some. The debate and discussion goes on all the time at club and national level.

you must be young; like scrivy, i've been racing and watching racing for 3 decades and frankly it sucks now compared to then

'better' is a very subjective term. better than what? last year? 2 years ago?

certainly not better than the mid eighties or the fantastic Marlborough Series of the late 70's early 80's

[idleidolidyll]

Blingo. But somehow the valid point/question Idol was trying to make about MNZ (being hopeless) has been sidetracked by umm...himself due to him ranting about the same old F3 / Supermotards crap that's been played over a dozen times (F3 RACERS had a petition, they voted to not have the motards...end of story basically).

yeah, they sent a petition around to their mates with 400's and golly gee, they signed it.

i bet a million bucks they didn't give most of the motard riders a chance and they sure as fuck didn't consider people coming into the sport or returning.

THAT is just an example of the MNZ rationality vacuum

[Ivan]

Clives an oldy

[idleidolidyll]

So they spent more money, made better bikes and got hated for it?

nope, they spent big biucks making old crap go fast and then engineered the rules so that faster modern bikes didn't even get a chance to race

[Goblin]

..it doesn't matter specifically about F3. The same could be said about dumb rules in F1 etc..... boring.[/COLOR]

Did you not find the multi quote function?

Back on topic...I see Shaun has put his hand up for The Good Of Road Racing...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=70176
I for one would be keen to see him as a North Island Road rep. If we can band together and get enough votes for him to achieve this then we will have one board member with the balls and tenacity to gradually make a difference, for the better, in road racing.
How say you savages??

[White trash]

nope, they spent big biucks making old crap go fast and then engineered the rules so that faster modern bikes didn't even get a chance to race

Ummmm, that'd be why those SV650s do so poorly. Not being allowed to race and all..........

[idleidolidyll]

I used to be of the opinion that they are fine to be in the class and anyone should be able to ride.

Till at ruapuna one day I nearly had a big off (and the motard rider actually did fall off) after he got his handlebar caught over my neck when I was going past him. Was quite a scary experience. He actually crashed trying to get us untangled. I ran off the track doing 130 odd. I have also had another instance where I was nearly clotheslined by one when I was trying to go round the outside of him.

Their lines are a bit of an annoyance sometimes but its a bit of a cop out to say that its unsafe.

I signed the petition only due to the safety issues of the way in which the handlebars got caught on me. If it was another 125 or road racing bike we would have just touched elbows (pretty normal for 125's) and been ready for the next corner.

so we are to be confined to short uncomfortable bikes in favour of old fashioned 4's when comfy big singles are often faster and more exciting to watch?

yep; racing is so fukkin PC we may as well be another switzerland

[scracha]

If you wanna have a rant about bar height rules why not tell the 400 boys to piss off and make there own class why dont you piss off and make your own

http://www.400racing.com/

Sounds good to me. The reason half the 400's are so old and "fucked" is that they're pre 89. A class with horsepower limits and a minimum weight limit would be very entertaining.

[idleidolidyll]

If youve looked at F3 the Majority of bikes out there are SV650s they aint old, and man someo of those guys with them so called old 400's make them boogie, I love the F3 its a great class and I would love to see farm bikes out there modified to suit road racing....

Plain and simple if you wanna road race.

GET A ROAD RACE BIKE

Most modern motards ARE road race bikes designed specifically to race on tarmac. The sv650 is Ok but I don't want to race one, i want to race something like a KTM Duke ROAD BIKE but the dipshit rules ban them.

If you wanna do MotoX

GET A MOTOX BIKE

A 150kg KTM Supermoto is NOT a MX bike.

If you wanna have a rant about bar height rules why not tell the 400 boys to piss off and make there own class why dont you piss off and make your own class of racing that has a rule no bikes without bars under 900mm or something

because the 400's are old crap and F3 should allow new blood not mire itself in the past

And piss off wasnt ment as in Piss off away as in A saying go and do it

sure, just like fuck u too, we're all so misunderstood!

Im not good with trying to get across what I say but Im trying my hardest here remember ive only been around the sport a few years I started at 13 and im 18 now so I aint been in it that long at all

Oh? so when you rail at someone with 20 years of racing experience, what do you think they make of your arguments?

[White trash]

http://www.400racing.com/

Sounds good to me. The reason half the 400's are so old and "fucked" is that they're pre 89. A class with horsepower limits and a minimum weight limit would be very entertaining.

III, you're obviously very passionate about the subject and it's comendable that you've kept your arguments clean where most wouldn't have.

But the fact remains, there is a Motard class, you can race them. In their class. So no one's confined to any bikes. You wanna race a ZXR400, race one. Against other 400s. Wanna race a 'Tard? Do so, against other tards. Where exactly is the problem again?

[idleidolidyll]

Ummmm, that'd be why those SV650s do so poorly. Not being allowed to race and all..........

why the hell would i want to ride a jappa? i like euros but the best are banned effectively from the class

[idleidolidyll]

http://www.400racing.com/

Sounds good to me. The reason half the 400's are so old and "fucked" is that they're pre 89. A class with horsepower limits and a minimum weight limit would be very entertaining.

not if they made it one of the Formula classes. Let the old crap have their own classic class but don't let them prevent better modern bikes and home built special racing.

[White trash]

Oh? so when you rail at someone with 20 years of racing experience, what do you think they make of your arguments?

And now you've just contradicted yourself by saying that because you have four times the experience, you know more and your opinions are right. This directly after having a go at MNZ for their stagnated ideas and dinosaur procedures.

You simply aint making sense man.

[Clivoris]

you must be young; like scrivy, i've been racing and watching racing for 3 decades and frankly it sucks now compared to then

'better' is a very subjective term. better than what? last year? 2 years ago?

certainly not better than the mid eighties or the fantastic Marlborough Series of the late 70's early 80's

Mmm. Not young, not old, somewhere around the middle I hope. I started riding around the late 70's but had very little interest in the road scene. The mid 80's were certainly the golden years and personally wonder how similar times could happen again. The resurgance in motorcycling gives some hope. How to take advantage of this?
Without doubt MNZ make mistakes. I didn't see or hear any advertising for the Nationals but I don't have Sky or listen to The Rock/The Edge..... I am also very disappointed in the tv coverage. I thought all the meetings were to be televised, I'm not sure about this anymore. I didn't see tv cameras at Manfield. I am reluctant to spit the dummy about it, as I know what it is like when those on the outside complain bitterly but don't step up to deliver any meaningful solutions. It doesn't work. Maybe you're right about trying to change it from the inside as well. I certainly don't have the energy.

Clives an oldy

you forgot "and slow".

[White trash]

why the hell would i want to ride a jappa?

Because they won the Formula 3 class this year????

Can't beat em? Join em.