Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[Goblin]

You might wanna go re-read that thread, the bitch to MNZ was about the complaints process, not the actual events at Wanganui.

I understand tho, when you're on the wrong side of an argument, it's easy to try and pick holes in the oposition.

Cant be naffed searching for it now but was there any satisfaction from MNZ in regards to the complaints process or was WT just fobbed off?

[Drew]

a raptor is just a jappa in wop clothes.

harden the fuck up yourself and let all the bikes in ya pansy

Thread's moving too fast and I near missed this wee gem.

Lets get it straight, I DIDN'T sign the petition. I too was of the opinion, "race whatever you've got that fits the bill".

But I fully understand why some people wanted the bikes out, from personal experiences.

Lets you and I hire Pukie, then we'll find a Pansy I'm sure.

[Drew]

Cant be naffed searching for it now but was there any satisfaction from MNZ in regards to the complaints process or was WT just fobbed off?

Dunno, is that in ANY way related to this topic?

If it's all about not getting satisfaction from the governing body, this thread is gonna get real big, real quick.

[Goblin]

Dunno, is that in ANY way related to this topic?

If it's all about not getting satisfaction from the governing body, this thread is gonna get real big, real quick.

It's related in EVERY way to the topic. Look at the title...Has MNZ lost all revelance? I believe it has! You didn't answer my question...Did WT get any satisfaction from MNZ or did he get fobbed off?

[Drew]

You didn't answer my question...Did WT get any satisfaction from MNZ or did he get fobbed off?

Yeah I did, dunno what the outcome was, I imagine he got fobbed off.

I dont disagree that the running of our beloved sport is being done in a halfarsed, hadhazard manner.

To go back to the original question then, yes, MNZ are gettin it wrong a lot. Wanna change that? Get in and do it the right way, bitching on here just wont cut the mustard.

[Goblin]

Yeah I did, dunno what the outcome was, I imagine he got fobbed off.

I dont disagree that the running of our beloved sport is being done in a halfarsed, hadhazard manner.

To go back to the original question then, yes, MNZ are gettin it wrong a lot. Wanna change that? Get in and do it the right way, bitching on here just wont cut the mustard.

Eggzachery! I would love to change that but me, myself, as a newbie racer in F3 and Pre89 classics aint gunna cut the mustard! This is where we need someone like Shaun or III who has the balls to call it as they see it, with no hidden agendas, to come forward and make these changes come about. Someone to speak for the riders who pay the salary of MNZ CEO.

I was pissed off at how WT and others were treated at Wangas when they won their grid positions fair and square. Writing letters to MNZ is a complete waste of time, energy and effort so you might as well be pissing in the wind. You may not like III personally or they way he comes across but at least he has the experience and the balls to speak up and the want to make changes.

[stanko]

There are rules in most classes we disagree with, shit I think I should be allowed 4 spot brakes and flatslides on my pre 82, be cool to run methanol on my bucket. but for one reason or another the rules exclude them.
F3 rules exclude bikes with high handlebars, so if that means your dream bike is excluded thats just tough.
Do we go on endlessly at cops who write speeding tickets.? (except at KB)
If you cant live under the MNZ framework bad luck, get over it. Unless you are prepared to make a big comittment to becoming involved at a high level no amount of winging or assertive opinion is going to change anything

[Goblin]

so we just bend over and take it up the pooh hole because that's the status quo.

[Burrt Badger]

Well said Stanko.
If you want to go Road Racing, buy and race a Road Race bike. If you want to Motard and MX or Enduro, race an off roader. If you want to race a big single or V twin off road engine, put it in a road race chassis and go Road Racing.
Imagine showing up at a MX with an SV650 or an ZX10 and racing the MX riders with sweeping lines and trying to get your knee down. Shit what a weapon in a straight line, but the corners could be difficult, for both the MX boys and the road bike. Bring anything to mind?
Reminds me of a TZ700 engined flat tracker the raced once before it was banned.
Off road = off road and Road Race = Road race.

[scott411]

Well said Stanko.
If you want to go Road Racing, buy and race a Road Race bike. If you want to Motard and MX or Enduro, race an off roader. If you want to race a big single or V twin off road engine, put it in a road race chassis and go Road Racing.
Imagine showing up at a MX with an SV650 or an ZX10 and racing the MX riders with sweeping lines and trying to get your knee down. Shit what a weapon in a straight line, but the corners could be difficult, for both the MX boys and the rod bike. Reminds me of a TZ700 engined flat tracker the raced once before it was banned.
Off road = off road and Road Race = Road race.

turn up with a zx10 at a mx, you will get laughed at, but never banned from any class, a freindly steward would advice you not be so stupid, not even when the novice class laps you every other lap, they do not care if you turn up with a bike that was built in japan, europe or usa, the guys at an average mx do not argue about stupid things like what bikes to ban, they just go out and race each other, its quite a good system

[viewer]

If you cant live under the MNZ framework bad luck, get over it. Unless you are prepared to make a big comittment to becoming involved at a high level no amount of winging or assertive opinion is going to change anything

What about starting up in competition to MNZ? Riders for riders!
Sort out all the shit and get riders input.
Good way forward?

[scott411]

What about starting up in competition to MNZ? Riders for riders!
Sort out all the shit and get riders input.
Good way forward?

did not really work for open wheel racing in the states,

2 natioanls series, with split competition, does not sound very exciting when people are already saying the national series is boring to watch

[scrivy]

2 natioanls series, with split competition, does not sound very exciting when people are already saying the national series is boring to watch

What if it was run as a business? You know, listen to your customers, advertise, sponsors........

[scrivy]

World superbikes proves you have to listen to riders.
Also the riders reps of GPs years ago - the riders decided where was safe, and if they would/wouldn't race.

[scrivy]

Why is it that even Winter series meets have larger numbers than the Nationals? If only we could get 1/2 of them to do the Nats, it would be far better to watch.