Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[idleidolidyll]

Yep, years of MNZ has given lots of us a tainted view of the organisation.

will it change or will it stay the same?

as for MNZ acting as quasi coppers, 6 weeks, 2 weeks, 4 days; what's the difference?

the way it was set up it turns the organisation into cops while doing fuck all to really make racing safer (how many hung over riders are booted out?)

I know for a fact that a number of riders stopped racing the minute that bullshit was incorporated.

[avgas]

LOL... errr... if I recall rightly... BEARS was formed to specifically exclude Jap bikes?

Yeh something about loosing badly at the time...everytime lol

[scott411]

its easy to find ways to tear them down, but i would rather have them thier,
i disagree with the point that things haev not got better, the current rules may not suit you, but there is a much clearer line of comunitcation being thier, F3 riders getting rid of the motards is a prime example, the truth is the class got the numbers together to get there point across, as much as i disagree wiht the ruling, the majority spoke,

as for the drug testing, thier are positive and negitives, sparc seems to have stoped testing motorcycling, as i have not heard or seen of them testing lately,

and as for the hung over test, i have heard of some stewards using a breathiliser,

[idleidolidyll]

its easy to find ways to tear them down, but i would rather have them thier,
i disagree with the point that things haev not got better, the current rules may not suit you, but there is a much clearer line of comunitcation being thier, F3 riders getting rid of the motards is a prime example, the truth is the class got the numbers together to get there point across, as much as i disagree wiht the ruling, the majority spoke,


actually, from what i've been told, the motarders were not invited to comment and the people with the petition presented it as a fait accompli even though half of the class (the motarders) were not given the opportunity to present their case; they were merely ignored. Yes, the biggest group of new racers gor years was just shut out and ignored.

as for the drug testing, thier are positive and negitives, sparc seems to have stoped testing motorcycling, as i have not heard or seen of them testing lately,

regardless, the rules exist and can be resurrected any time some halfwit wants to exclude a rider. That alcohol testing is not done and hung over riders punished equally is a blot on our sport: the smell of double standards prevades right through to parliment itself

and as for the hung over test, i have heard of some stewards using a breathiliser,

a breathaliser does not test for hang overs (which last all day or longer) all they test for is blood alcohol values which may have already dropped way down even though the rider is still effectively way more impaired than a rider having had a joint a week ago.

It's bullshit and MNZ allowing it to happen was a sign of the bullshit

[idleidolidyll]

Yeh something about loosing badly at the time...everytime lol

and now the F3 losers are trying to shut out the Euro motards who kick their arses; looks like the last laugh is on the pitiful pussies themselves

BTW: BEARs was a fantastic success and MNZ would do well to pay attention to why it was

[Tony.OK]

Isn't a Bears class doing exactly what F3 has done regarding motards?(excluding a certain type of bike)
There were plenty of motards(2 classes) at the PMCC round on Sunday.Does being a Euro or Jap bike make any difference,you seem to be more concerned about the nationality of a bike than anything else.

[merv]

idleidolidyll back when you say you used to be famous what name did you race under because old guys like me don't remember anyone of that name back then?

[idleidolidyll]

Isn't a Bears class doing exactly what F3 has done regarding motards?(excluding a certain type of bike)
There were plenty of motards(2 classes) at the PMCC round on Sunday.Does being a Euro or Jap bike make any difference,you seem to be more concerned about the nationality of a bike than anything else.

nope, i'm most interested in a level playing field and i don't give a shit about jappas, euros or whatever; i've owned the range.

what i'd like to see is the sport go backwards to when it was enthusiastically followed by huge crowds and when racers felt included instead of excluded by MNZ and the rules of the sport

re the BEARs class; tell me more

[idleidolidyll]

idleidolidyll back when you say you used to be famous what name did you race under because old guys like me don't remember anyone of that name back then?

famous?

not me, i raced for personal pleasure not for cheerleaders or groupies

i'll leave the fame for the egos

[scott411]

Bears exclude everything japanese is the point hes making,

[scott411]

actually, from what i've been told, the motarders were not invited to comment and the people with the petition presented it as a fait accompli even though half of the class (the motarders) were not given the opportunity to present their case; they were merely ignored. Yes, the biggest group of new racers gor years was just shut out and ignored.

yes that was the case, but in all fairness the fact that the motards had thier own class is a good point, you are right in somebikes have been put out by the stupid 900mm rule, it should have jsut been done at club level and not aloud guys to cross enter on motard bikes

[idleidolidyll]

Bears exclude everything japanese is the point hes making,

so what then?

that was a reaction to the cost of racing as much as it was to the people who actually didn't like jappas.

what happened was that masses of bikes came out of their sheds and were raced again; the sport of motorcycling won and MNZ did their level best to kill it because they saw opposition instead of opportunity: it seems their mentality has not changed

[idleidolidyll]

yes that was the case, but in all fairness the fact that the motards had thier own class is a good point, you are right in somebikes have been put out by the stupid 900mm rule, it should have jsut been done at club level and not aloud guys to cross enter on motard bikes

the motards might have a class that should ACTUALLY be motard racing with about 50% dirt. However, the guys who like ice fast cheap motards but who don't want to ride in the dirt should not be penalised by a backdoor petition like the one that has fucked F3

[scott411]

how were you penalised?, by not being able to ride 2 classes,

[idleidolidyll]

how were you penalised?, by not being able to ride 2 classes,

it's not about me; i'm interested in promoting the sport for all riders and I don't post here specifically for my own benefit

as for the 2 class thing, that's also a load of jealous nonsense.

so what if a rider is smart enough to choose a bike that can enter 2 or even 3 classes?
to do so they pay double or triple the money in entry fees and as long as the bike fits the rules, there should be no concern about it