Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[FROSTY:Me]

Yep, I can see you whining after Rossi came sliding past, takes your line, spins up and slides out leaving you trembling in his wake complaining to the marshals that he should be banned because it's just bloody dangerous..................ha!ha!ha!

Actually dude strictly from my point of view here.
My objection was that on way more than one occasion I was forced to make a simple decision. HIT the guy or stop.It really was that simple. I chose the option that kept both of us alive.
Slow corners for a motard (seriously please correct me if I'm wrong) -straight line in foot out on the ground turn, point -squirt
Trouble is just at that turn/point stage they are going bloody slowly and are at right angles to a rider taking a "normal" line.

[idleidolidyll]

Burrt Badger, White Trash ya on to it... III well as your profile says you havnt raced since the 90's well these days the motards are a bit different.. I have and DO race with these bikes and Im all for them having there own class, I was involved while racing the Buell last year (maybe the year before) where a retard caused a acco putting 2 road bikes down, he took a different line and cut them off I ran over the riders.

Motards belong in their own class

do you really believe there weren't chook chasers racing with us back in the day?

har! har! har! har! har! best of all was the one armed kwaka rider on his chooky pissing over 90% of the field with 'wild lines and crazy wheelies'

it aint really any different today

wanna game of tiddly winks? fuk'd if i do

[HDTboy]

Hey! If you want them brought back, why not start an opposing petition? See how many people will gladly sign it with smiles on their faces? Obviously you weren't at any of the race meetings where these petitions were being signed

Shall I repeat myself?

That's not what I heard from the previous owner of my SRAD.

He's not idleidleidle though, so what would he know?

[idleidolidyll]

Actually dude strictly from my point of view here.
My objection was that on way more than one occasion I was forced to make a simple decision. HIT the guy or stop.It really was that simple. I chose the option that kept both of us alive.
Slow corners for a motard (seriously please correct me if I'm wrong) -straight line in foot out on the ground turn, point -squirt
Trouble is just at that turn/point stage they are going bloody slowly and are at right angles to a rider taking a "normal" line.

all you're talking about is what some have always done since Kenny Roberts started sliding his Yammy back in 1980.
He won 3 world champs didn't he? I remember Barry Sheene complaining about him back then; Barry was the loser of course.

Hell, even a half arsed local boy like me used to square up the corner on my Hondog CBR and Duke 750 by sliding the damn thing.

[jrandom]

All right, here's a question for y'all.

Why don't the different 'formula classes' simply state engine displacement / cylinder configuration rules, and leave everything else wide open?

III wants to go back to that situation - I'd like to know the real reason why it isn't the case already.

Seems to me that all the cruft aside from that just detracts from the fun of it.

Obviously such open classes will inevitably result in chequebook racing (and who would want to go without the spectacle of carefully-developed superbikes shaving milliseconds off the lap records every season, anyway) so a bit of clever thinking should be able to come up with minimal rules for alternative classes that allow competitive racing for newer riders, folk on a budget and anyone with an odd compulsion to race on bikes from a particular manufacturer regardless of the bike's speed. Streetstock, ProTwins and BEARS - all very sound ideas for different reasons.

Seriously, why is there all this bollocks about feet staying on pegs, handlebars not being too high, wheel rims needing to be a certain diameter, et cetera?

[FROSTY:Me]

all you're talking about is what some have always done since Kenny Roberts started sliding his Yammy back in 1980.
He won 3 world champs didn't he? I remember Barry Sheene complaining about him back then; Barry was the loser of course.

Hell, even a half arsed local boy like me used to square up the corner on my Hondog CBR and Duke 750 by sliding the damn thing.

Its not the same thing and you darn well know it.
So lets just get this straight>you wouldn't have an issue then with me racing my SV650 at a bears meeting?

[idleidolidyll]

Different bikes designed for different lines.

yep, that's called finding thew winning formula. every manufacturer looks for that advantage

If you had your way we'd be dodging bloody sidecars.

now you're just being sily

It'd be a bit like putting a V8 supercar in the middle of an A1GP race.

bullshit, it's more like putting Rossi in with Mike Hailwood

Anyway, proper motard racing (as per the French who invented the sport) has dirt sections with jumps etc... NZ "motard" racing is just super motards playing on tarmac.

so what? if a motard goes faster around a road circuit; by definition it's the better road racer

MNZ is a crock of shit...many of us agree with that but spitting tacks and ranting about bears, jappers, motards and implying that most of the current F3 field are whingers who don't deserve to be there on their knackered old 400's isn't gonna win ya any friends.

i'm not trolling for buddies

[idleidolidyll]

Its not the same thing and you darn well know it.
So lets just get this straight>you wouldn't have an issue then with me racing my SV650 at a bears meeting?

good grief!

now that's just dumb

[dangerous]

Wasnt there a 20 page thread featuring the modest Mr Idyl about a year ago saying the same crap just without so much venom.

yeah I believe ther was... same shit different day

do you really believe there weren't chook chasers racing with us back in the day?

har! har! har! har! har! best of all was the one armed kwaka rider on his chooky pissing over 90% of the field with 'wild lines and crazy wheelies'

it aint really any different today

wanna game of tiddly winks? fuk'd if i do

I think you just lost your debate...

[HDTboy]

The part that I find amusing, is that you seem to think the manufacturers actually give a shit about the F3 rules in New Zealand.

[Rick]

Like Frosty I also have an issue with Motards in the Formula classes.

It's not the guys like Paul Brown or Stephen Briggs, who I feel more than confident racing around and with (I've had a number of good battles at Taupo and Paeroa with Paul on his Husaberg while I've been on my Formula bike). The guys that scare the crap out of me are the slower Motards that you often come across at the end of a race (Nelson and Greymouth streets a couple of years ago were shocking for this) who seem to ride like they still on a MX track - taking corners outside to inside, changing lines mid corner etc....they are near on impossible to judge where they're going to go in a corner and on a Formula bike it's very hard to change your line as quick as a Motard.

If the rule changes take these types of riders out of the formula racing (they still have their own class) and makes it safer for the majority of racers then MNZ has done the right thing.

[idleidolidyll]

yeah I believe ther was... same shit different day



I think you just lost your debate...

what you think is obviously irrelevant then

[scracha]

i'm not trolling for buddies

Whatever mate. Start your own Formula series that allows basically anything and see how it goes. I for one will give it a miss but all respect to you if it takes off. Obviously I don't have the cahunas. Hell, I'd nominate you onto the MNZ board just to see how it all works out.

[idleidolidyll]

Like Frosty I also have an issue with Motards in the Formula classes.

It's not the guys like Paul Brown or Stephen Briggs, who I feel more than confident racing around and with (I've had a number of good battles at Taupo and Paeroa with Paul on his Husaberg while I've been on my Formula bike). The guys that scare the crap out of me are the slower Motards that you often come across at the end of a race (Nelson and Greymouth streets a couple of years ago were shocking for this) who seem to ride like they still on a MX track - taking corners outside to inside, changing lines mid corner etc....they are near on impossible to judge where they're going to go in a corner and on a Formula bike it's very hard to change your line as quick as a Motard.

If the rule changes take these types of riders out of the formula racing (they still have their own class) and makes it safer for the majority of racers then MNZ has done the right thing.

Thanks for winning my argument for me.

So it's not actually about the style ('cause Brigs et al ride that way and you aint scared of them). It must then just be about piss poor riders and that's something we have all had to put up with ever since racing began. Remember though, you can't have winners without losers and you can't be highly skilled without having been a novice once.

I recall a guy on an RD400 taking me out at Taupo years ago by cutting a radically stupid line as I came by. He whined that I was going too fast and I'd never have made the corner anyway.
Of course he didn't own up and note that it was the last lap, I was winning and he was a backmarker I was passing.

Mind you, I didn't try to change the rules to get rid of him; that's racing

[Goblin]

Actually dude strictly from my point of view here.
My objection was that on way more than one occasion I was forced to make a simple decision. HIT the guy or stop.It really was that simple. I chose the option that kept both of us alive.

You stopped on the track??? so what's more dangerous? Stopping on the track or conceding defeat in a corner and carrying on racing?

Slow corners for a motard (seriously please correct me if I'm wrong) -straight line in foot out on the ground turn, point -squirt
Trouble is just at that turn/point stage they are going bloody slowly and are at right angles to a rider taking a "normal" line.

Sorry but you're wrong. Not all Motard riders put their foot out or back it in. They actually go just as fast, if not faster around corners. It's just the lean angle can seem daunting and dangerous if you happen to be on a sportbike type racebike. And the foot out thing is no different to you guys with your knee down. I have never seen a foot out so far as to deem it "dangerous" to other riders. Would have to be a bloody long leg! I think you might be just a wee bit pissed at being beaten by a chookchaser.