Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[HDTboy]

you wanna be like everyone else?

sorry, i reject cloning

If being like everyone else means getting spectators through the gates, producing world champions, club racers getting prize money, manufacturers having contingency money available for race winners, then what is it that you're against? Civilisation? Development?

[Goblin]

Sorry Il but I also have an issue with motards in the formula classes.
The lines motards take are so radically different from road race lines it was literally an accident waiting to happen.

But I have to disagree...Motards DONT take different lines. Have a look at any of the street races and really LOOK at the lines they take. Everybody takes the lines available at the time and if a Motard rider can out-brake, out-corner, duck up the inside or whatever, then that is what racing is all about. Handlebar height is a crock!

[idleidolidyll]

If ya want a nice 'safe' sport, go play tiddly winks.

Me, I ride for the excitement and I accept the danger, fucked if I want it wrecked by PC bullshit.

[idleidolidyll]

If being like everyone else means getting spectators through the gates, producing world champions, club racers getting prize money, manufacturers having contingency money available for race winners, then what is it that you're against? Civilisation? Development?

oh dear, logical fallacies galore!

we produced LOTS of international winners BEFORE they fucked up formula racing.
BEARs had the biggest prize money on offer for years!
Crowds in the 'dangerous 70's' dwarfed todays crowds!

[idleidolidyll]

But I have to disagree...Motards DONT take different lines. Have a look at any of the street races and really LOOK at the lines they take. Everybody takes the lines available at the time and if a Motard rider can out-brake, out-corner, duck up the inside or whatever, then that is what racing is all about. Handlebar height is a crock!

smart girl!

Sliding into corners only works on the slowest corners where getting the back end lined up with the straight as fast as possible overcomes corner speed advantages. More open corners are better taken the old fashioned way.

Smart riders (winners) know that taking the same line as the guy in front guarantees you won't pass him/her. To win you need to learn to take all the worst lines as fast as you can and use them whenever you need to.

[HDTboy]

What date did "they" fuck up formula racing?

I love the idea of "run what you brung", I do hate chequebook racing, and I dislike sharing a track with bikes coming at me sideways enough to put pen to paper, and sign a sheet to ask for their removal.
Hey! If you want them brought back, why not start an opposing petition? See how many people will gladly sign it with smiles on their faces? Obviously you weren't at any of the race meetings where these petitions were being signed

[idleidolidyll]

and I dislike sharing a track with bikes coming at me sideways enough to put pen to paper, and sign a sheet to ask for their removal.

Yep, I can see you whining after Rossi came sliding past, takes your line, spins up and slides out leaving you trembling in his wake complaining to the marshals that he should be banned because it's just bloody dangerous..................ha!ha!ha!

[jrandom]

I dislike sharing a track with bikes coming at me sideways...

You wouldn't like racing with me; I'd probably spend half the time coming at you upside down.

[dangerous]

Burrt Badger, White Trash ya on to it... III well as your profile says you havnt raced since the 90's well these days the motards are a bit different.. I have and DO race with these bikes and Im all for them having there own class, I was involved while racing the Buell last year (maybe the year before) where a retard caused a acco putting 2 road bikes down, he took a different line and cut them off I ran over the riders.

Motards belong in their own class

[stanko]

Why not run the motards off the back of F1 they wouldnt bother anyone untill lap4 or 5 on most tracks.
Wasnt there a 20 page thread featuring the modest Mr Idyl about a year ago saying the same crap just without so much venom.

Who was the rider 2 years ago at the nelson street races who spent the whole riders briefing moaning about the Motard rules, so none of the saftey shit was covered (I dont actually know , but he had a KTM motard)

Comon Feel the Love

[Goblin]

In my very few years of racing Ive been at meetings were riders have died and clubs need to develop rules after each one of these incidents to make it safer.

So how many of these fatalities were caused by Motard riders taking different lines? Motorcycle racing IS a dangerous sport! Riding on the ROAD is dangerous too. Same with sidecars...should long chairs and short ones be separated too?

[HDTboy]

Yep, I can see you whining after Rossi came sliding past, takes your line, spins up and slides out leaving you trembling in his wake complaining to the marshals that he should be banned because it's just bloody dangerous..................ha!ha!ha!

Seems I don't have them

[jrandom]

Seems I don't have them

That's not what I heard from the previous owner of my SRAD.

[idleidolidyll]

When F3 riders change the rules as they did it creates a self fulfilling prophesy.

The more alternate bike/rider combos they can force out of the sport /ortheir class, the more they can say "all F3 riders are for these rules"

That of course excludes all the motarders etc who now can't ride F3 and therefore have no voice.

My suggestion to you all is to do what BEARs did in reverse: If your precious hand grenades are so fukkin special, go start a club of your own and don't fuck up the formula classes with your fraidy cat bullshit.

[scracha]

Yep, I can see you whining after Rossi came sliding past, takes your line, spins up and slides out leaving you trembling in his wake complaining to the marshals that he should be banned because it's just bloody dangerous..................ha!ha!ha!

Different bikes designed for different lines. If you had your way we'd be dodging bloody sidecars. It'd be a bit like putting a V8 supercar in the middle of an A1GP race.

Anyway, proper motard racing (as per the French who invented the sport) has dirt sections with jumps etc... NZ "motard" racing is just super motards playing on tarmac.

MNZ is a crock of shit...many of us agree with that but spitting tacks and ranting about bears, jappers, motards and implying that most of the current F3 field are whingers who don't deserve to be there on their knackered old 400's isn't gonna win ya any friends.