Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

**svr** · 4th April 2008, 07:54

Ok we're all (except one) in a agreement then: Motards are a great, welcome addition to roadracing now correctly have their own class(es).
End of discussion?

**Burrt Badger** · 4th April 2008, 07:58

SVR.

Agree completely. End of discussion.

**idleidolidyll** · 4th April 2008, 08:08

Originally Posted by svr

Ok we're all (except one) in a agreement then: Motards are a great, welcome addition to roadracing now correctly have their own class(es).
End of discussion?

you haven't been paying attention then: even the winner of the class said he would be happy to see motards in F3 and plenty of others thought the ban was a wank.

self declarations of 'victory' are often the stuff of pimply children

**idleidolidyll** · 4th April 2008, 08:11

Originally Posted by scott411

great idea, lets get rid of 30-60 riders out of a meeting, and replace it wiht a class that can not survive on its own at the moment, and that fits in with f3 at the moment anyway,

never mind the fact that the club will not be able to afford to put on the meeting,

what is it that you actaully hate about motard bikes so much? this its not a real road bike stuff is crap, is it really that offensive to you that their are 30 people riding bikes around having fun, !!!!

this is the sort of backward thinking shit that will keep road racing down,

hang on scott; didn't the jerk offs say it was all against one and declare victory?

good post and exactly the point: the wank rule is detrimental to the sport

**idleidolidyll** · 4th April 2008, 08:13

Originally Posted by speedracerjimmy

i cant understand why road guys bag the crap out of motards.those boys ride hard and are mean to watch.i can understand the clash in riding styles when they are on the track together tho.but thats no reason to make them feel unwanted at race meetings.id love to get one they and race it they would be fun as hell.

Oops, another one.

looks like that declaration of victory was a one eyed masturbation after all eh.

that's the spirit speedracerjimmy, lets try to improve road racing instead of continuing to fuck it up.

**idleidolidyll** · 4th April 2008, 08:17

Originally Posted by scott411

fair point, if you are a top level motocrosser you get used to touching bars, and crashing, it becomes second nature,

this is not a new thing, most of NZ's top road racers came from MX backgrounds, if you read Aaron Slights book it tells how he took his YZ125 out for a blast around manfield and got hooked on road racing, now some in here guys would stop that from happening,

you have seen Scotty Moir and Paul Brown step up from motards to 600's this year, and riders will keep doing it as well, it is an ideal entry class as alot of these bikes are around, and it is getting cheaper to kit them for motard

Tony Rees, Sam Smith, Simon Crafer - they all came form motocross, learnt how to race on the dirt, just like the aussies and US riders have done as well,

great post

Ahh indeed, motocross riders learn not to be afraid of a little sideways and IMO they learn better control than those who never did MX.

I know the little minds hate real life experience but the first time I rode at Puke was on a 650 Cagiva Alazurra. After practice I was approached by one road racer who told me I was fucking dangerous in the hairpin as I was alll sideways (same argument differet decade).
Of course I never crashed and he never beat me; I'd been racing MX and Enduro for the past 10 years.

**idleidolidyll** · 4th April 2008, 08:26

PMCC may get 30-60 but AMC doesn't run Motards and the Vic Club the most ever for a meeting the last 2 years has been 17 and one meeting the number was 5. A whole 3 races for just 5 bikes!

Sounds like the 125 class for years..........yawn

Most Clubs have record entries at the moment and if they can't survive I say someones creaming the profit from each meeting..

record entries? can you back that up with proof?
From what I've seen those records must have only started in the year 2000.

I love motards 9 times out of 10 when you fall off one you just pick it up and ride again. You can ride like a idiot with no responsablity. Some riders are actually intimidated by the way they are ridden.

The point is that motards are a cheap way to get into racing; one of the cheapest. You can get into racing with a motard for as little as $4-5K. By banning them or isolating them, the sport is effectively turning off a lot of riders who might progress to other classes and bikes.
The F3 class is the correct place for motards when the rider is not interested in a dirt section. The Formula classes were originally designed to increase diversity and if those who did initiate them saw what has happened now; I reckon they'd be disgusted.

Originally Posted by GSVR

Hell I don't give a shit I don't even race anymore its an industry not a sport.
(pt)

Yep, that's the problem I think. The 'sport' panders too much to interest groups and doesn't focus enough on the future and those POTENTIAL newcomers.
Bring back production classes where we could really see which bike was better: the current format allows so much modification the bikes are only superficially what we can buy.
Keep the Formula classes for innovation and diversity.