Hmm. In two minds about this...

**dipshit** · 6th April 2008, 20:38

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

This just backs up that stunting enhances skills; these guys are mint

So then boy racers are the safest drivers around and hardly ever crash..??

**Bikernereid** · 7th April 2008, 02:06

I think you may find there is a difference between hoons that just want to drive fast and show of to thier mates and people who actually want to develop a new skill. At the end of the day how do you think people like Ron Haslam et al got thier riding skills, sending off for them with a S.A.E?

Originally Posted by dipshit

So then boy racers are the safest drivers around and hardly ever crash..??

**Bikernereid** · 7th April 2008, 02:14

Originally Posted by dipshit

It's practising your circus tricks while riding that puts you at greater risk.

I can see it giving many overconfidence as they truly believe that the "skills" they have acquired actually have any relevance to safe road riding skills.

I am sure that there are a great deal of people riding bikes with an overinflated belief in thier skills who have never even done stunting or developed any advanced riding 'skills'.

Try reading the dedications to some of the KB members that have killed themselves on their bikes and never made it into their thirties...

"There's some great footage of Bruce and his big cheeky grin as he races, does burnouts on the grass, wheelies etc. Then he hops on his roadbike and does some unrefined wheelies and stoppies on the road. He's about 18 in the video, but he hasn't changed in the years since (except for pulling better wheelies and stoppies!)"

"Not only did Daryl like showing off on his bike but off as well."

"We were taking a shorter route heading thru backroads he get onto a straight and Dan put it up on one wheel and man.....that still remains to this day the best ever wheelie i had seen.... perfectly balanced and i mean perfectly...went along for a good 500 metre with the numberplate about 2 inches off the ground...no more no less for the whole frikking wheelie....same angle the whole way.... plate 2 inches off the ground perfectly consistent for 500 metres , the rest of us couldnt believe it...talk to him after...oh yeah...was nothing much...."

And how may riders have died young who weren't 'showing off'? You can't blame what they did for how they died unless it was as a direct result of it. Sometimes unfortunate accidents just happen.

Would you feel safe riding down the motorway like in the first video on this thread..??

There is no way in hell I would ever do that and especially not without full gear. And I can say without any doubt that my bloke would never ask me to do it either. But at the same time you have to ask yourself, how would that look and what would be the possible outcome if done by someone who hadn't developed some skills?

**Bikernereid** · 7th April 2008, 02:16

Originally Posted by dipshit

It's practising your circus tricks while riding that puts you at greater risk.

I can see it giving many overconfidence as they truly believe that the "skills" they have acquired actually have any relevance to safe road riding skills.

Try reading the dedications to some of the KB members that have killed themselves on their bikes and never made it into their thirties...

"There's some great footage of Bruce and his big cheeky grin as he races, does burnouts on the grass, wheelies etc. Then he hops on his roadbike and does some unrefined wheelies and stoppies on the road. He's about 18 in the video, but he hasn't changed in the years since (except for pulling better wheelies and stoppies!)"

"Not only did Daryl like showing off on his bike but off as well."

"We were taking a shorter route heading thru backroads he get onto a straight and Dan put it up on one wheel and man.....that still remains to this day the best ever wheelie i had seen.... perfectly balanced and i mean perfectly...went along for a good 500 metre with the numberplate about 2 inches off the ground...no more no less for the whole frikking wheelie....same angle the whole way.... plate 2 inches off the ground perfectly consistent for 500 metres , the rest of us couldnt believe it...talk to him after...oh yeah...was nothing much...."

Would you feel safe riding down the motorway like in the first video on this thread..??

I am sure that there are a great deal of people riding bikes with an overinflated belief in thier skills who have never even done stunting or developed any advanced riding 'skills'.

And how may riders have died young who weren't 'showing off'? You can't blame what they did for how they died unless it was as a direct result of it. Sometimes unfortunate accidents just happen.

There is no way in hell I would ever do that and especially not without full gear. And I can say without any doubt that my bloke would never ask me to do it either. But at the same time you have to ask yourself, how would that look and what would be the possible outcome if done by someone who hadn't developed some skills?

**jimmy 2006** · 7th April 2008, 07:31

hey dipshit,
sorry, but i don't get the connection between stunting and boy racers?

slow wheelies, stoppies ect in a environment that is chosen as far out of the way as possible...... usually on dead end roads, trying to improve skills and have some fun.

vs

boy racers that race each other on open highways topping out at 200+kmph,
drifting around corners on residential streets ect ect.......

are you implying that they are the same risk to themselves and the general public?

i personally think your arguments on safety should go over to the sportbike forum where people are talking about "what is the fastest you have managed to get your bike" and "i got over 180kmph on my bike on the motorway the other day". i guarantee that the people writing have almost no bike skills. or how about leaving us and bothering the people in the biker law forum where you can have your 2c on the fact that they lost there license for exceeding the legal limit by sometimes double......

**dipshit** · 7th April 2008, 08:40

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

I think you may find there is a difference between hoons that just want to drive fast and show of to thier mates and people who actually want to develop a new skill. At the end of the day how do you think people like Ron Haslam et al got thier riding skills, sending off for them with a S.A.E?

I totally agree that a professional who only practices their craft at an appropriate venue will be a safer road user when *driving normally* on public roads.

The trouble is that it is a case of monkey see monkey do for impressionable kids. They will then proceed to rap their cars around poles each and every Friday night while trying to hone their "skills".

Or in the case of motorcycles, you end up with situations like this...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ky-WW97vS0

**dipshit** · 7th April 2008, 08:43

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

And how may riders have died young who weren't 'showing off'? You can't blame what they did for how they died unless it was as a direct result of it. Sometimes unfortunate accidents just happen.

So much for their "amazing skills" making them safer on the roads though.

**dipshit** · 7th April 2008, 09:03

Originally Posted by jimmy 2006

hey dipshit,
sorry, but i don't get the connection between stunting and boy racers?

Someone posted a video of drifting saying that it makes for safer road drivers. So I asked if boy racers are safe low incidence drivers?

i personally think your arguments on safety should go over to the sportbike forum where people are talking about "what is the fastest you have managed to get your bike" and "i got over 180kmph on my bike on the motorway the other day". i guarantee that the people writing have almost no bike skills.

It's interesting to see that you think that someone who is into stunting is a skilled rider and someone who isn't into stunting is a unskilled rider.

This is why I said earlier that it is a concern that stunting will become some kind of benchmark that new and young riders will think they need to aim for as it becomes more and more the norm and the thing to do on a bike.

Recently I remember reading a thread where someone was looking at getting a 900 Honda and the salesman pulled a wheelie and a stoppie in front of the shop to show him "how good it goes". WTF..??

**jimmy 2006** · 7th April 2008, 10:09

"It's interesting to see that you think that someone who is into stunting is a skilled rider and someone who isn't into stunting is a unskilled rider."

What? no no, that is not what i implied. what i was saying is that you seem to think that stunting is VERY dangerous. i was replying that you should take your safety argument up with the people that think that doing almost double the speed limit is the way to ride there new 1000cc toys. it takes little skill to twist the throttle and try and go as fast as you can in a straight line..........

you get it yet?

**YellowDog** · 7th April 2008, 10:13

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Shouldn't this go in the 'In Bad Need of Biking Safety Gear' section?

Even managed to look at the camera without getting creamed.

**Bikernereid** · 7th April 2008, 10:32

Did you read my post?? How many riders can you name that have died through doing stunts on thier bikes? How may riders can you name that have died and have not being doing stunts at the time?

My uncle died on his bike aged 21 (so under 30) and was not ride like an 'idiot'. He rode under a lorry that was parked on a blind bend at night with no lights. I don't think that you can blame him for that can you? Or can you make it into his fault some how?

I have friends who have also died on thier bikes and none of them were stunting or riding like 'dicks' they just had unfortunate accidents, end of story!

Originally Posted by dipshit

So much for their "amazing skills" making them safer on the roads though.

**owner** · 7th April 2008, 13:02

Come on! just leave him be. He clearly has no idea about how to enjoy life or what it takes to push yourself to the next level of anything. Hes just one of THOSE people. Far to much time on his hands. Bloody good find on the vid though. Whos keen? to do some lame motorway wheelies dedicated to dipshit I think we should all have I love dipshit signs

**owner** · 7th April 2008, 13:09

Look at the way you parked your bike in your profile pic! that looks dangerous!!!. Motorbikes should be parked on firm level ground at all times. think of the kids. What if the wind had blown it over and a baby died. You really should think about how your picture is harming the motorcycle industry

**dipshit** · 7th April 2008, 15:20

Originally Posted by Bikern1mpho

Did you read my post?? How many riders can you name that have died through doing stunts on thier bikes?

Actually two of those KB members (and most probably the third) died from the result of stunting.

They just weren't as clever as they thought they were.

**dipshit** · 7th April 2008, 15:22

Originally Posted by owner

Look at the way you parked your bike in your profile pic! that looks dangerous!!!. Motorbikes should be parked on firm level ground at all times. think of the kids. What if the wind had blown it over and a baby died.

I can assure you that no children or animals were harmed in the making of the photograph.