What would happen if MNZ disappeared?

[Kickaha]

Nobody wants an angry Ginga on their back so he gets things done.

But does that mean he would get the things done that the people he represents want? especially if he doesnt agree with what they want?

[idleidolidyll]

Just a lil heads up.Senior people in at least 1 bike club read THIS forum. The CEO of MNZ has been known to read this forum.

yep, but do they really pay attention and act on what they read?

[idleidolidyll]

This is why I think that Shaun would be suited to the job. He's a battler. He wasn't going to be allowed to race at IOM but he made some noise and got the result he wanted. He nearly died there but fought for his life and got results. He was dicked around by ACC here, made a lot of noise and got results. Anyone see a pattern forming here? Nobody wants an angry Ginga on their back so he gets things done.

And yes...a discussion forum on the MNZ site would go a long way to letting riders have their say. Great idea!

all those things did happen to him but we still don't really know what his opinions are on the specific items that are of interest to members and prospective members; until ALL prospective members give those I'd find it hard to vote for ANY of them regardless of their experience.

Why? Because as much as you might dislike MNZ, it's almost always been made up of people like Shaun; ex racers with lots of experience.
What's been missing is knowledge of their opinions on specific issues outside their circle of friends and a few club members.

[scott411]

[QUOTE=idleidolidyll;1497049]Why? Because as much as you might dislike MNZ, it's almost always been made up of people like Shaun; ex racers with lots of experience.
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very good point, one i have been thinking about for a while, there seems to be a us and them attitude when people talk about mnz, mnz are jsut volenteers that are into motorcycle racing,

[Goblin]

But does that mean he would get the things done that the people he represents want? especially if he doesnt agree with what they want?

all those things did happen to him but we still don't really know what his opinions are on the specific items that are of interest to members and prospective members; until ALL prospective members give those I'd find it hard to vote for ANY of them regardless of their experience.

Why? Because as much as you might dislike MNZ, it's almost always been made up of people like Shaun; ex racers with lots of experience.
What's been missing is knowledge of their opinions on specific issues outside their circle of friends and a few club members.

Well I havn't brushed up on my telepathy lately but he has put up a hand for the position so Im willing to vote to see if he can be a good N.I. Rep. Time will tell I guess.

This is also where a discussion forum on the MNZ site would be useful.

[doc]

yep, but do they really pay attention and act on what they read?

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What's been missing is knowledge of their opinions on specific issues outside their circle of friends and a few club members.

But does that mean he would get the things done that the people he represents want? especially if he doesnt agree with what they want?

This is the problem, you have to have a bit of faith in who you vote for. They are in politics and can only speak on your behalf if they are honest in their intentions getting elected. Sometimes once they are there they will do anything to stay there.

Shaun seems pretty genuine to me. Time will tell.

[Robert Taylor]

By the way, probably the largest group of newcomers to road racing in the last few years are the riders of motards and they don't even have a representative!

In fact, I reckon they've been treated like leppers.

Great for the sport? nope

great PR for new members? nope

Well, if they have a habit of being foul mouthed, downright obnoxious and condescending then I could well understand them being treated like leppers.
Thankfully most of the motard riders I know are well balanced, polite and very pleasant people.

[idleidolidyll]

Just had coffee and a good conversation with two friends

one has been involved in racing teams for years (now retired) and the other currenly has a 12 year old up and coming motocrosser in the family, a national title already under his belt.

it seems MNZ is as 'interesting' in mx administration as it is with road racing.

the disconnect with riders interests was a theme from all sides; even importers whose combined suggestions and recommendations were thrown out completely

if so many riders, parents and importers are upset with MNZ; who are they working for?

Next years junior world champs seem to be handing publicity and income to a private training institution and creating a 'qualifying' system that will cost parents and riders many thousands of dollars each just to have a chance to ride.

someone enlighten me, why is this a good idea?

[idleidolidyll]

This is the problem, you have to have a bit of faith in who you vote for. They are in politics and can only speak on your behalf if they are honest in their intentions getting elected. Sometimes once they are there they will do anything to stay there.

Shaun seems pretty genuine to me. Time will tell.

yes, you need some faith but you also need to know what they think about the issues that bother you.

[cowpoos]

there's plenty wrong with the classes. The original concept of F1, F2 and F3 have been destroyed and the manufacturers now own the premium class instead of competing in real; production classes where the racing is cheaper and we can actually judge which is the better production bike.

The bikes you see the winners on bear only a farcical resemblence to what you can buy from the shops.

Ummm...not really up with current thinking are ya bud??

I think you will find the riders have little issuse with the current Production superbikes supersport classes...

you keep reiterating this point...F1 F2 classes were not as level playing feild as they are now...there was to much unataniuim!! special parts that only big $$ can buy...or special factory backings.

Current rules means anyone can get the same parts as the top guys! and access to the same back up and support.

Also..what its good on the track...is usually a polar opposite to whats good on the road!!

[idleidolidyll]

no, current rules mean that anyone with lots of money can get anything the others are using.

there's quite a difference

[cowpoos]

no, current rules mean that anyone with lots of money can get anything the others are using.

there's quite a difference

do explain in that case?? You have made a statement...with no credentials!!