Has Motorcycling New Zealand lost all relevance?

[idleidolidyll]

Isn't the idea to get as many different bikes on the racetracks as possible and introduce many new riders to the race tracks?

What gives MNZ? Haven't you learnt anything from the BEARs movement?

Writing the rules to eliminate types of bikes from the formula classes is peurile and small minded. The formula classes are WHERE DIVERSITY BELONGS!

If the jappa sponsors want to prevent supermoto bikes and Euros making dicks of them, write the bloody PRODUCTION rules to suit them but for fucks sake don't destroy motorcycle racing in NZ by fucking up the formula classes.

In my opinion it's time the FIM took a long hard look at NZ and considered a new body to represent racing in this country. The BEARs lesson showed that stepping away from the closed minded bigotry of past MNZ demigods was what the public wanted. For many years the country's biggest race was the Sound of Thunder, it might still be. Why is that MNZ? I'll tell you: it's because we get fucking bored watching the same bikes win all the time and we like to see a wide range of bikes with a chance of taking a prize.

Frankly they might as well write the class rules around the specific dimensions of the Yamasuzkawahondas and be fucking done with it. Hell, go a bit further and limit the last 3 letters of the brand name to uki, aki, aha or nda; it's the same bloody thing.

I also note that some pinhead marshalls are black flagging riders who take their feet off the pegs or slide in/out of corners. These fucking pinheads say it's dangerous. HEY PINHEAD, IT'S MOTORCYCLE RACING, OF COURSE IT'S BLOODY DANGEROUS.

Don't you little minded bigots watch TV?

The BEST riders on the planet slide into and out of corners and take their feet off the pegs to maintain balance! Are you trying to bring Mike Hailwood back from the grave? Sorry, too late; the world has left MNZ behind; it's an anachronism and it needs fundamental change.

Tell me, how does eliminating half the entries from one formula class promote motorcycle racing in NZ?

Answer: it doesn't, it just convinces people like me that MNZ still has its head buried in the sand.

[ManDownUnder]

What gives MNZ? Haven't you learnt anything from the BEARs movement?

Writing the rules to eliminate types of bikes from the formula classes is peurile and small minded.

LOL... errr... if I recall rightly... BEARS was formed to specifically exclude Jap bikes?

... rest of the post... yeah... no issue with it (reluctant agreement in fact... you're a cunt, just not a really bad one)

[Goblin]

Don't you little minded bigots watch TV?

No, they just take the prize money and give empty promises.

Brilliant post III, I agree wholeheartedly!

[jrandom]

All good-sounding points you make, idleidolidyll, but what precise rules, arrangements for races, etc, are you referring to?

Could you point us specifically to stuff that's gone on in this regard?

[Burrt Badger]

So Idle, has your name been put forward for one of the MNZ Board vacancies??? You obviously want to have some input, so, get off your arse and do something about it, dont just sit there and be vocally critical, because ANYONE can do that!!
As for the Bears movement, other than the The sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna, where is it now??? Bears Northern has gone, Bears Central Sound of Thunder has gone. MMMMMMM, interesting?

As for the Motard rules. This was what the competitors wanted. Thats right, the "Road Racers" who wanted to road race. Motards have their own class, if they wish to cross enter into the road race fields, then the Road Race boys should be able to cross enter into the Motard class, just like Jason Easton had to at Paeroa two years ago. Oh, did I mention that he won the motard class that day.

[Maido]

Isn't the idea to get as many different bikes on the racetracks as possible and introduce many new riders to the race tracks?

What gives MNZ? Haven't you learnt anything from the BEARs movement?

Writing the rules to eliminate types of bikes from the formula classes is peurile and small minded. The formula classes are WHERE DIVERSITY BELONGS!

If the jappa sponsors want to prevent supermoto bikes and Euros making dicks of them, write the bloody PRODUCTION rules to suit them but for fucks sake don't destroy motorcycle racing in NZ by fucking up the formula classes.

In my opinion it's time the FIM took a long hard look at NZ and considered a new body to represent racing in this country. The BEARs lesson showed that stepping away from the closed minded bigotry of past MNZ demigods was what the public wanted. For many years the country's biggest race was the Sound of Thunder, it might still be. Why is that MNZ? I'll tell you: it's because we get fucking bored watching the same bikes win all the time and we like to see a wide range of bikes with a chance of taking a prize.

Frankly they might as well write the class rules around the specific dimensions of the Yamasuzkawahondas and be fucking done with it. Hell, go a bit further and limit the last 3 letters of the brand name to uki, aki, aha or nda; it's the same bloody thing.

I also note that some pinhead marshalls are black flagging riders who take thewir feet off the pegs or slide in/out of corners. These fucking pinheads say it's dangerous. HEY PINHEAD, IT'S MOTORCYCLE RACING, OF COURSE IT'S BLOODY DANGEROUS.

Don't you little minded bigots watch TV?

The BEST riders on the planet slide into and out of corners and take their feet off the pegs to maintain balance! Are you trying to bring Mike Hailwood back from the grave? Sorry, too late; the world has left MNZ behind; it's an anachronism and it needs fundamental change.

Tell me, how does eliminating half the entries from one formula class promote motorcycle racing in NZ?

Answer: it doesn't, it just convinces people like me that MNZ still has its head buried in the sand.

I respect everyones opinion but didn't you just say all this in another thread?

[idleidolidyll]

LOL... errr... if I recall rightly... BEARS was formed to specifically exclude Jap bikes?

... rest of the post... yeah... no issue with it (reluctant agreement in fact... you're a cunt, just not a really bad one)

Yes, BEARs WAS created to exclude Jap bikes. Now ask WHY?

As the top cheese in BEARs for two years nationally (National Secretary, now called President), I'll tell you why:

Because the same boring thing was happening then as is happening today. If you didn't have one or two very specific models and manufacturers of bike; you had no chance at all in the race classes as they were written. All those cool bikes and all the diversity was swallowed by sucking up to sponsors and BEARs was a backlash that successfully bought hundreds of race bikes back out of their sheds to race.

Yes, a few BEARs racers specifically hated Japanese bikes but the majority didn't; they just didn't want to be forced to buy them to have fun racing.

In my time at the top, I believe we ran the biggest race meeting in the country; the Christchurch Sound Of Thunder. We drew crowds of up to 20,000 and made a clear profit for the club of over $30k. We also had the best prize money on offer.

In contrast, I went to Pukekohe a few weeks ago: it bored the shit out of me and there were perhaps a couple of hundred spectators at best.

[idleidolidyll]

I respect everyones opinion but didn't you just say all this in another thread?

yes i did but it deserves a specific thread in the racing forum given the fuck up that is racing in this country

[Burrt Badger]

Idle, keep the eye patch on your good eye. You obviously dont want to see what has probably been the best Nationals season of racing we have had for many years. It is on TVOne on April 20th for those interested.

[GaZBur]

Is this what you mean from the online rulebook, which differs from the one we got sent with our competition license.

FORMULA THREE CHAMPIONSHIP REGULATIONS

The Formula 3 Championship class will exist primarily for Production Based machines. The class
listed below (1-1 to 1-5) allows modifications to the machines to be carried out while still keeping a
similar level of performance between machines.
These rules apply to all National Championship and Endurance Championship races. At other
meetings these rules will apply unless varied in the Supplementary Regulations.

A: All motorcycles racing in this class must have a maximum end of handle bar centre
line height of 900mm from the ground.
The measurement is to be taken at the handle bar end with the machine unladen, ie no
rider.
B: Any machine complying with Rule No 34-2-3 and 34-5 is automatically excluded from
entering any Formula 3 event.
Any includes all events whether they are MNZ titled events or not, this is for safety
reasons.

It must not be amended or altered in anyway by the use of Supplementary Reuglations.

If so it seems logical to stop super-motards riding against others due to the radically different lines we sometimes take - which unfortunatley stops me from entering F-3(damn). I would prefer they just said riding F-3 you must keep your feet on the pegs but I can see why you complain as a 950 aint exactly a regular motard bike. Overall though probably a reasonable rule even if it doesn't suit motarders.

[idleidolidyll]

All good-sounding points you make, idleidolidyll, but what precise rules, arrangements for races, etc, are you referring to?

Could you point us specifically to stuff that's gone on in this regard?

I'd say go read the rules like I have for the last week.

Here's a starter: 900mm maximum handlebar height for F3.

A back door way to get rid of supermotos that were kicking arse and cement 10-20 year old 4 cylinder jappas with $10,000 motors on the podium.

The small minded ones also eliminated a whole bevy of specific road bikes with that mindless piece of junk: any sit up bike is now effectively banned.

In F3 they 'allow' unlimited cc single cylinder 4 strokes but then effectively ban 90% of those that would enter with this ridiculous rule.

Frankly, if supermotos were winning the class and doubling the entries, that proves two things: that not so big singles with street wheels make better road race bikes than ancient time bombs with 4 cylinders and too much pork. It also proves that having a good formula class is GOOD for entry numbers which is good for racing.

Another dipshit rule was to limit the number of classes a bike/rider could enter at any one meeting. This is daft. If my bike is eligible for two or more classes, why the fuck should it be banned? Big fields promote racing; little fields destroy it.

These are just a sample, read it yourself and think of the implications with respect to what bikes are available today.

At the same time have a think about the small dicks who want to ban sliding, spinning and balance (the way that Rossi and co ride) and the implications of that.

[idleidolidyll]

So Idle, has your name been put forward for one of the MNZ Board vacancies??? You obviously want to have some input, so, get off your arse and do something about it, dont just sit there and be vocally critical, because ANYONE can do that!!
As for the Bears movement, other than the The sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna, where is it now??? Bears Northern has gone, Bears Central Sound of Thunder has gone. MMMMMMM, interesting?

As for the Motard rules. This was what the competitors wanted. Thats right, the "Road Racers" who wanted to road race. Motards have their own class, if they wish to cross enter into the road race fields, then the Road Race boys should be able to cross enter into the Motard class, just like Jason Easton had to at Paeroa two years ago. Oh, did I mention that he won the motard class that day.

Nope, that's what the pissants who whined about being beaten by motards wanted.

And yes, if a road bike is eligible to race in motard then let it race; haven't you seen what yanks do with RD400's? Flat trackers are fucking great motards!

As for putting my hand up, read the post; I have served 2 years at the highest level. What have you and others done?

Will I put my hand up again? I just fucking might, in fact I might start a campaign to scrap MNZ altogether and start anew with something rational and impartial for a change.

[White trash]

I half see your point III but you do have to remember that the rules were changed for F3 at the request of the competitors.

There are more than enough classes for Motards, more in fact at Wanganui than road race classes.

So who's actually hard done by?

[idleidolidyll]

As for the Bears movement, other than the The sound of Thunder meeting at Ruapuna, where is it now??? Bears Northern has gone, Bears Central Sound of Thunder has gone. MMMMMMM, interesting?

Yep, that's a fact and a big part of the reason is because MNZ has the FIM licence. They have used that licence to destroy BEARs whether deliberate or not (definitely deliberate in some cases when I was elected).

MNZ saw BEARs as a threat and refused to learn the lesson that BEARs gave. I see it coming again and perhaps we might even do what speedway has done and eventually tell them to fuck off, hold 'unsanctioned' meetings and take them to the court of human rights if they bleat.

[idleidolidyll]

Idle, keep the eye patch on your good eye. You obviously dont want to see what has probably been the best Nationals season of racing we have had for many years. It is on TVOne on April 20th for those interested.

If that was the best nationals season for many years, MNZ is a failure.

I remember the Marlborough Series; a far better era