Whinging NZ

[Grahameeboy]

Well when I was back in UK you would bear so much about those laid back NZers...

Well lets think...

Crap Police Force - Despite crime figures dropping
Bloody ACC - Isn't it non-fault compensation / reaction if it was scrapped?
Bloody Anti-Smacking Laws - We know better? Yeah right...
Laws - We don't need them...

But okay to agree with banning under 18's buying spray paints...

If you want paradise find an Island in the middle of nowhere free from terrorism etc...opps, NZ is in the middle of nowwhere...and it's paradise.

[jrandom]

Are you saying that NZ is actually a pretty nice place, all things considered?

I agree.

[Hitcher]

Well when I was back in UK you would bear so much about those laid back NZers...

So you're a Pom! That explains everything. At last...

[scracha]

You forgot party pills being banned. For once I find myself agreeing with Hone Harawira

[James Deuce]

Bahahahaha!

Yes it isn't as overtly horrendous and repulsive as Southampton or Glasgow.

There's a fundamental rot caused by the laidback "quality". We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets. They've sold us up the river in a vast number of ways. We're a post-modern, post-socialist, post-feminist, free market nightmare. You have blinkers on. There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children, and our lovely caring government is desperate to establish a free trade agreement with a country that butchers it's own citizens and absorbs other sovereign states and when people complain go, "What Country? That was always part of China. No, we've NEVER heard of Tibet. Some sort of Western fantasy."

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.

No, NZ is in a mess that isn't as immediately as apparent as say Liberia, but it is a mess all the same. Just because you don't get beaten up in the street because you forgot to put gang neutral colours doesn't mean it is paradise. By the time NZers notice it's bad, they will have lost the economic power to leave.

[yod]

Bahahahaha!

Yes it isn't as overtly horrendous and repulsive as Southampton or Glasgow.

There's a fundamental rot caused by the laidback "quality". We need to be setting fire to politicians homes and making it unsafe for them to walk the streets. They've sold us up the river in a vast number of ways. We're a post-modern, post-socialist, post-feminist, free market nightmare. You have blinkers on. There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children, and our lovely caring government is desperate to establish a free trade agreement with a country that butchers it's own citizens and absorbs other sovereign states and when people complain go, "What Country? That was always part of China. No, we've NEVER heard of Tibet. Some sort of Western fantasy."

They've never acknowledged that the only beneficiaries of that Free Trade agreement are China, thanks to a massive trade imbalance in China's favour. Which will never change because we don't produce anything China wants.

No, NZ is in a mess that isn't as immediately as apparent as say Liberia, but it is a mess all the same. Just because you don't get beaten up in the street because you forgot to put gang neutral colours doesn't mean it is paradise. By the time NZers notice it's bad, they will have lost the economic power to leave.

feel free to leave whenever you like

[James Deuce]

feel free to leave whenever you like

Working on it.

[Ocean1]

There are laws that directly contravene the Bill of Rights and NZ's Anti-Discrimination Bill in regard particularly to social programming and the rights of parents and children,

Dude there's laws agin' fookin' near everything, to the point where it's pointless taking any heed of 'em whatsoever. The only redeeming feature here is that we don't enforce 'em.

That means you're more or less free to behave exactly as you would if they didn't exist, with exactly the same consequences. You get to live comfortably with yourself and those who's opinion matters to you, and bitch about those who behave otherwise.

[James Deuce]

Dude there's laws agin' fookin' near everything, to the point where it's pointless taking any heed of 'em whatsoever. The only redeeming feature here is that we don't enforce 'em.

That means you're more or less free to behave exactly as you would if they didn't exist, with exactly the same consequences. You get to live comfortably with yourself and those who's opinion matters to you, and bitch about those who behave otherwise.

You're obviously not bearing the brunt of the parental abuse that makes up a significant component of the new values based curriculum.

[Ocean1]

You're obviously not bearing the brunt of the parental abuse that makes up a significant component of the new values based curriculum.

Specifically?

[James Deuce]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

[Ocean1]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

I could go on. But it would just be another Ranty Jim moment. I want out.

Yeah, obnoxious. I'd have trouble taking that gracefully, in fact I’d be taking it as a declaration of war and asking for volunteers.

Fight or flight dude?

Need a volunteer?

[Blossom]

School newsletters telling us what we can and can't say to our children in regard to education and teachers, demeaning letters questioning our parenting skills and emotively declaring us actively disrespectful and "unloving" in regard to how we treat out children, organising independent psych reviews without our knowledge and then peevishly demanding we pay ($680 for a week's observation) for the psychologist when the psychologist declares our children well balanced and obviously well cared for.

Thats is insane. I certainly would be up in arms about it too. Mate if my kids were in that school I would be looking seriously at homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.

[James Deuce]

Mate if my kids were in that school I would be homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.

Comparing notes it is the same in every primary school now.

Volunteers are good. We're quite busy in two arenas at the moment, but slowly making inroads. I let you know when I need a hoard of bikers to impress a point

[Ocean1]

Thats is insane. I certainly would be up in arms about it too. Mate if my kids were in that school I would be looking seriously at homeschooling. At least here we still have the freedom to do such things.

Then they win. We've got the right to insist that our schools provide the service we want. They’re our kids, if the school wants to raise ‘em let’s see them pay for it. In the meantime they need to STFU and do their job: teach the wee darlings the 3 R’s.