Making sure your pillion's wearing full gear.

[2wheeldrifter]

I wonder if we could put some age discrimination into this debate? Do you see any scantily glad females on the back on mature riders bikes? Do you see scantily clad mature females on the back of any bike?

Yep! TIT'S ON BIKES!

[Edbear]

... Do you see any scantily glad females on the back on mature riders bikes? ...

Interesting Freudian slip, there, Motu...

[FROSTY:Me]

In the situation of an inexperienced pillion the responsibility for making sure they have propper gear has to be on the rider.
I've been as guilty as the next guy for that one. 20 years ago I had an off with a pillion on the bike. She had conned me into taking her wearing just jeans and a jacket. Yep I thought I was "in " which um influenced my decision.

[Badjelly]

But to be honest I guess that lack of skin is going to be the least of her worries if she is brain damaged.

Not necessarily so. Brain damage doesn't all occur at the instant of impact and people's ability to survive, and recover from, serious injuries is affected by all the injuries, as well as by the general health and age of the person. (Or so I read once in a discussion of helmet safety, which I could probably find again, if I tried.) Protective gear on your body and limbs may not protect you from a bang on the head, but it may help you survive the bang on the head.

Sorry to hear about accident, which I know nothing of other than the little that's been said in this thread.

[Bikernereid]

I understand that but what I meant was that if she is going to spend the rest of her life brain damaged, living with scared legs etc really pales into insignificance.

Not necessarily so. Brain damage doesn't all occur at the instant of impact and people's ability to survive, and recover from, serious injuries is affected by all the injuries, as well as by the general health and age of the person. (Or so I read once in a discussion of helmet safety, which I could probably find again, if I tried.) Protective gear on your body and limbs may not protect you from a bang on the head, but it may help you survive the bang on the head.

Sorry to hear about accident, which I know nothing of other than the little that's been said in this thread.

[DingoZ]

In the situation of an inexperienced pillion the responsibility for making sure they have propper gear has to be on the rider.

Aye, want to get on the back of mine (when I am able to take pillions and have the necessary skills and experience to do so), without gear. Hope your boots are good enough for walking. Cause without gear, it ain't going to happen.....

[Mikkel]

If you don't want to read a rant then please DONT READ ON>
WHO lets a woman on the back of their bike in pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet.
You sir are a prize fuckwit.
Yes I will say it to your face

Well, another question that also warrant attention is: "Who GETS on a bike wearing pedal pusher jeans, a pair of slip on shoes a dress jacket no gloves and an ill fitting helmet?"

OK, so there's more to this than just a rant - which is how the original post read. What happened Saturday night? From your post, it sounds like the rider is someone we know.

p.s. That front-tuck pic gives me nightmares. It's one of two. The previous pic is of her laughing and waving to the camera. Somehow the two combined make it a very chilling sequence

I believe this thread is related to the "Crash scene - what do you do?" thread, also in this subforum.

If this is the case FROSTY indicated that he knew which ICU they were at - in which case going there and telling the rider to his face will be very real possibility.

[Rogue]

Surely this is a case of Natural Selection the Darwin Theory could be right

[Bikernereid]

Yep but at the end of the day I think it is really about the battle between common sense and freedom of choice.

I would say that most of us would fight to defend frreedom of choice but when it comes to an issue that may impact upon health and whether you live or die then the common sense attitude tends to prevail (for most of us).

Surely this is a case of Natural Selection the Darwin Theory could be right

[FROSTY:Me]

My opinion is that novice pillions are less knowledgable about gear than a newbee rider. No awareness of the concequences of a crash or even a minor oops without propper stuff on. .
In this case a rider with a concience should make sure they have propper gear on.

[Edbear]

Yep but at the end of the day I think it is really about the battle between common sense and freedom of choice.

I would say that most of us would fight to defend frreedom of choice but when it comes to an issue that may impact upon health and whether you live or die then the common sense attitude tends to prevail (for most of us).

It does seem that history favours feedom of choice over common sense...

[Bikernereid]

But then again history is written by the survivors and the conquorers so maybe those with common sense will survive longer and eventually change the status quo

It does seem that history favours feedom of choice over common sense...

[Kittyhawk]

First thought was Deathstar and his mrs on the back of his bike...Even had a word to him bout her not wearing the right gear! What's worse she had skin exposed on her lower back!!! Then she got her own bike and still didnt have the right gear

Then reading further down the thread...I felt sad.

I'd rather look like an idiot dressed in boyish leathers, than be on the back of a bike making a fashion statement. Cos it aint fashion which is going to save you when you are sliding down the road. And when I do have pillions I make sure they are geared up from head to toe, as I feel Im responsible for them.

[klingon]

Who is responsible for the pillion's gear - the rider or the pillion?

When I first started going on my boyfriend's bike as a pillion, I wore jeans, a quilted jacket, his old gloves (several sizes too large), an old helmet (which kinda fitted but not really), and a pair of leather fashion boots. I shudder now to think what might have happened if we had come off.

On one hand, it was my responsibility to dress properly. On the other hand, I really had no idea what "properly" meant. I thought jeans and my quilted jacket would protect me. I didn't know that a helmet wasn't meant to move around on your head. I thought boots were boots - I had no idea that his boots were stitched, reinforced and armoured. Mine were thin leather and barely glued together.

Then I started hanging around in here, talking to riders, looking at gear in shops and talking to the shop staff. It was only then that I realised how naive I had been.

A rider needs to make sure they explain the full potential of gear decisions to their pillion. If the pillion still wants to go on the back of the bike after being fully informed, then it's up to the two people involved to make the decision. And they will both have to live with the consequences of their actions.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

The other day I watched this young girl in a short skirt, heels and a suit jacket, no gloves etc get on as a pillion - it did cross my mind this is going to be bloody interesting getting her leg over the seat - in a tight skirt - she managed it well really, rider was in jeans and tshirt, no gloves, you could see he'd had one spill by all the grazes on the bike, he took off at a great rate of knotts. Unbelievable. He is often at the same place that I have coffee so I'm going to have a word with him soon. Be buggered if I know how anyone can be so retarded. Even in my early days of riding - I always wore protective gear. While I believe in freedom of choice - I am leaning towards the fact that when somebody buys a bike - it is compulsory to have protective clothing!