Please don't kill off the two strokes!

[merv]

Now the racing bit. The fact that they are run by the same company has got NOTHING to do with it mate. James Toseland and Colin Edwards came via Superbikes. So did a certain Mick Doohan, Wayne Rainey and Revin Kevin.

'cept Col was also a 250 racer - started out as a dirt boy when he was young, then did amateur road racing but then his first National Championship win was AMA 250GP champ in 1992 then he moved on to Superbikes at National and later World level.

[slowpoke]

Rich cunts. Not that it'll be a change, all the talent has been spoilt kids racing since they could walk.

If you're not born on a bike, abandon all hope of racing at the top international levels.

Not true. I know quite a few personally that blow that theory into the weeds.

Troy Bayliss didn't start road racing until he was 23 years old. Played with bikes as a youngster but from 10 years old was was distracted away from bikes by other sports.

[Coyote]

Troy Bayliss didn't start road racing until he was 23 years old. Played with bikes as a youngster but from 10 years old was was distracted away from bikes by other sports.

Corr, that's awesome to hear. There's hope for me yet

Already got planned to go race the minimoto with the buckets this weekend. Can't go backwards from there really

[svr]

All those guys grew up riding bikes (Bayliss incl.) - 2 stroke and 4 stroke - just like any other hand/eye coordination sport learning young is the big thing.
Smokers are cool but u soon get sick of doing handstands and waking up in hospital. Traction control is 20 years late.
Interesting that 600's are going faster than Gardner used to at Philip Island with a lot less power and a lot more weight...

[Coyote]

Interesting that 600's are going faster than Gardner used to at Philip Island with a lot less power and a lot more weight...

Goes to show how far suspension and chassis geometry have improved.

Plus 4 strokes are easier to ride. More power down low and more traction. 2 strokes may have had more power but it was delivered in a hit that didn't last long. Part of their charm innit

[Skunk]

Already got planned to go race the minimoto with the buckets this weekend. Can't go backwards from there really

Buckets is the TOP of the heap mate!

[Coyote]

Buckets is the TOP of the heap mate!

The junk heap?

Kidding, buckets are awesome. Once I get a MIG welder I want to make my own bucket. Got a few ideas for trellis frames in my head.

[Crasherfromwayback]

'cept Col was also a 250 racer - started out as a dirt boy when he was young, then did amateur road racing but then his first National Championship win was AMA 250GP champ in 1992 then he moved on to Superbikes at National and later World level.

True. But I'm sure you'll agree that after several years on superbikes it's where he 'arrived' from come GP time.

[avgas]

Goes to show how far suspension and chassis geometry have improved.

Just to put things in perspective, 2 stroke diesels have had developments in the industrial sector. The equivalent motors from the 40's wacking out less that 200hp now wack out well over 1000 for the same capacitor.
The same comparison can be set to rotary engines (google NSU cars).
What really made me laugh was the fact that all the bad stuff in 2 stroke fumes has same levels as petrol and diesel.

[Deano]

Goes to show how far suspension and chassis geometry have improved.

And tyre technology.

What really made me laugh was the fact that all the bad stuff in 2 stroke fumes has same levels as petrol and diesel.

2 strokes and diesels would have a higher particulate matter content.

[moT]

I have a great idea i cant believe no ones thought of it
give a 2 stroke another piston so it does double the ammount of strokes so it becomes a 4 stroke!!!! 2 times 2 = 4

[Sully60]

2 strokes and diesels would have a higher particulate matter content.

Damn straight! Pollution you can see.