Work Vs Dole

[Disco Dan]

Work vs The Dole.


Now first off, dont get me wrong I am not trying to make a decision here!

Scenarios:

Person XY earns $700 per week then quits and goes on benefit. This person then gets (because of a child) about the same amount per week from the government.

Person YX earns enough to cover expenses with only a couple of hundred to spare each week. This person goes on the social and then gets rent paid by government and pretty much sits on a about $100 per week.

Where is the incentive to work?

Unless your in a high paying job, there is not a lot holding low income people into employment is there!



Now my job is not exactly 'high paid' but it is adequate for my basic requirements for living, although prospects for future growth and 'moving up the ladder' is about nil. Unless of course I go back to University, which costs money.. which I could not afford. I could actually get more money per week as a student on the benefit than working part time while studying... now that is wrong.

now some of you may say $700 scenario is bollocks, but I know that person and she is able to maintain a $300p/w rental in a very good suburb of the shore while living a very nice lifestyle. All taxpayer funded.

[skidMark]

Welcome to my life dan, wanna come over for some caviar?

"skidMark, taxpayer funded, since ages ago"

[Disco Dan]

err no thanks i'm good... leave your poor goldfish alone.

[skidMark]

err no thanks i'm good... leave your poor goldfish alone.

nooooez real caviar, im living it up wooo

i did turn down qa job once, part time for the amount they were paying me equated to less than the dole.

So why on earth would i go off it, hmmm i had no morals at the time though.

[nodrog:Me]

.... gets rent paid by government ....

where do i sign up for this?

[Disco Dan]

When part of your job entails supporting your client at WINZ appointments, getting them a place to live etc... you pick up a few contacts and tips along the way. Part of the job is getting as much as possible for the client.

[Mully]

i did turn down a job once, part time for the amount they were paying me equated to less than the dole.

So why on earth would i go off it, hmmm i had no morals at the time though.

At the time?? So you do now?? Then why have you not taken the job down the line??

And this is on of the problems with this country, people can't be bothered. If it's the same money working for minimum wage, people will choose the easy way out, rather than try to better themselves.

It's all about being able to look at yourself in the mirror and know you are at least trying to get ahead.

[Dargor]

work = X money
dole = X money
drug dealing = Y money
dole + drug dealing = X+Y money

Its a no brainer, which is a pitty because all those people that have no brain can work it out.

[ManDownUnder]

Or conversely actually having a job I have no cap to how much I can earn, and consequently have few limits to what I can do.

The dole is the gravy train for underachievers.

[HTFU]

Work vs The Dole.

Where is the incentive to work?

I guess the trick is to either earn a lot more above any threshold for government handouts or just below it. To financially get ahead you need the coin but to just survive week to week you can get by on very little.

The extra money from working (we were on $75000 in 2000 and $35000 in 2007) allows you a bit of breathing space to do some stuff, be it invest or trip around other countries etc. Luckily we sunk some of that money back then into property, so being rent free now helps to live on a low income with a government top up (:Oi, thats right being freehold don't stop the government money honey)

So why do it this way - more time together and less time working and still many years ahead to save and start a business etc. Still paying tax but getting it back just like a business would, so at the moment this is our business investment.

[skidMark]

At the time?? So you do now?? Then why have you not taken the job down the line??

And this is on of the problems with this country, people can't be bothered. If it's the same money working for minimum wage, people will choose the easy way out, rather than try to better themselves.

It's all about being able to look at yourself in the mirror and know you are at least trying to get ahead.

Because i have been offered a job in auckland, either way i have employment, i just need to decide alot of things.

Leave it for a different thread or PM please.

[BIHB@0610]

Where is the incentive to work?

The incentive is in having self respect, and setting a decent example for your kids. Any person who raises their kids long term on a benefit (other than sickness) should be ashamed. It's supposed to be a safety net, not a way of life.

Oh and by the way, the DPB should be cut by 75% once all the kids are at school - what else are parents going to do between 9 and 3 FFS? Oooh and once you're on the benefit there should be no funding for additional kids. I'd happily pay my taxes towards heaps of contraception though .....

Don't vote Labour!!!

[Str8 Jacket]

Oh and by the way, the DPB should be cut by 75% once all the kids are at school - what else are parents going to do between 9 and 3 FFS? Oooh and once you're on the benefit there should be no funding for additional kids. I'd happily pay my taxes towards heaps of contraception though .....

I sometimes wonder if it'd be cheaper for the government to say after having xx amount of children while on the dole then you will have to undergo an operation so that you are unable to have any more children. I know that everyones situation is different but surely there is a way to stop encouraging people to keep producing while on the benefit?!

[ManDownUnder]

User pays.

I pay the bastards, and I need my lawns done.

[Tank]

The dole and your job may both be worth X - but the Dole will always be X - a job can be unlimited (within reason).

Personally I also think that the feeling of professional and personal fulfilment of doing a job well makes a better person.

Sitting in bed smoking all day and watching you become a nothing person, you achieve nothing, and at the end of the day contribute little to society - you simply exist.

Not for me I'm afraid! nor for anyone that I would choose to be friends with.

Its so easy to get a job its disgusting that people are even on the Dole.