Work Vs Dole

[The Pastor]

in the doledrums on the dole.

[FROSTY:Me]

Heres the problem spelled out in black and white. We live in a ME --NOW society.There is an expectation of instant gratification.
Dan you hit it on the noggin. Why should you go to uni?--because in the future you will reap the benifits.
A person sitting on their ass on the dole is where they are gonna be in 20 years whereas you have the opertunity to improve yaself.
Person working 40hours a week in a job paying $700 a week is pissed off
Ok so waddayado? Get a second job earning $150 a week flipping burgers onn a friday/saturday night.
That $150 pays for the uni classes so then you can get better pay at ya first job.
But ya keep flippin burgers anyhoo and put the money aside for deposit on a house. Fark me pretty soon you are renting ya house ot to said dole bludger

[Spiderpig]

There should be no benifit in nz...Maybe one off hardship funds, but once you use that wild card its gone and gets valid after 5 years or something. And still have the pension as some of us work our asses off and need a bit of a swishier lifestyle later on in life.

How ever, people who are disabled, and mentally impaired etc, then its a different matter...

If people choose to have kids support them, why let the middle and upper class pay for their asses via our taxes. Too many times I have walked into winz to get info on different things, and only to see adults sitting there waiting for their next hand feed of cash. They can function in society, why not get off their asses and work?

Seems the easier way out is to have kids, raise them in a society where sponging off the goverment is acceptable, and not give anything back to the community apart from tagging on peoples fences lovely colours, abusing people, drinking, drugs and being scum of the earth.

Problem is people think they have too many rights and abuse the systems.

Seriously if you were handed cash on a plate equivalent to what you were earning on a weekly basis would you work for it or not? I'd say over 90% would say they would take the cash and not work.

So how do people get ahead? save and invest? no, its more like follow suit with unlimited debts to organisations. If you want it you'll get it, even if it means taking out a loan.

Access to funds has changed society. People have lost value of saving, and earning something that they really want. Teens have access to credit cards, can get flasher cars etc, and dont appreciate it as much as what people did 50 years ago. If you saved hard for your first bike then bought it, it would mean alot more to you personally rather than have it on finance. You saved up to achieve a goal, rather than walk in and say "I want that one" signed and away you go. Sure you're happy but its not 100% yours is it.

Society is breaking down with the lack of motivation to work. Ethics of commuities are strong worldwide, and tend to follow influence among one another. How many generations can stay on a benifit? If this is what children are exposed to as they look up to their parents at a young age, they deem this is acceptable and follow suit.

It's a circle which is opening and more people are waking up to "why do I need to work when the govt will support me with the same amount" easy way out. If they cant support themselves, their problem not mine, sad to say the more I work the more my tax supports them, and people give you jealous looks when you have things a little nicer than them.

[Oakie]

i did turn down qa job once, part time for the amount they were paying me equated to less than the dole.
So why on earth would i go off it, hmmm i had no morals at the time though.

I spent 18 months on the dole in '93 / '94. Was getting about $280 a week in the hand I think. After 18 months I took a part time job netting about $230 a week as I thought that would at least give me a chance to move up, build a career and earn more. And that's exactly what happened. Quite comfy now thank you very much
WINZ (or whatever it was called then ... 'Income Support'? ) topped up the difference between what I was earning and what I would have been getting on the dole. Net result was that I was working 30 hours a week for the same money that allowed me to sit on my arse at home and do nothing. And it was worth every god-damned hour!

[MIXONE]

if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em.

[avgas]

Never got a student allowance.
Never got money from my folks (they had none).
Out the other side and now underpaid for what i do (Basically Tech Support for NZ).
Misses and I had the hardest time, and poured nearly $20K into keeping her here - because i was legit and didn't just marry her to keep her here.

I haven't had a pay rise in over a year. Or even a review for that matter.
Every one thinks they are "Managers" here, when they don't manage anything and have no one under them.

There is no corporate ladder - just an escalator of drooling idiots.
I'm starting to wonder at what point this kiwi says "Fuck you NZ"?

[ambler]

There should be no benifit in nz...Maybe one off hardship funds, but once you use that wild card its gone and gets valid after 5 years or something. And still have the pension as some of us work our asses off and need a bit of a swishier lifestyle later on in life.

fwiw that's exactly how it is in Japan. You are eligible for a (bread-line amount) temporary dole, but only if you were made redundant and if you regularly prove you are actively looking for employment. The result is:

-people save more
-they value their job more
-education (and self-improvement, presentation etc) is more important
-beneficiaries are not usually sitting around doing nothing
-people have more respect for family/friends, and others in general since they are the real safety-net
-people have more respect for others property, and
-more respect for people who have 'made it'
-income tax is only 19.5% up to $90k/year

And that last point also provides incentive to get a job too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9JIwxhRfug

[98tls]

The dole if we must have it should be dished out in tokens redeemable for the basics of life meat/veges etc no smokes/booze, that combined with when the compulsory insurance comes in you might as well hand over your car licence as you do in at least one state in the US as you wont be able to afford insurance.No booze/smokes and car might convince some to get off there arses and get a job.

[DUCATI*HARD]

the tax payer owes me!

[skidMark]

User pays.

I pay the bastards, and I need my lawns done.

ummmm i gotta go :P

nice sig btw.

[skidMark]

The dole and your job may both be worth X - but the Dole will always be X - a job can be unlimited (within reason).

Personally I also think that the feeling of professional and personal fulfilment of doing a job well makes a better person.

Sitting in bed smoking all day and watching you become a nothing person, you achieve nothing, and at the end of the day contribute little to society - you simply exist.

Not for me I'm afraid! nor for anyone that I would choose to be friends with.

Its so easy to get a job its disgusting that people are even on the Dole.

Whats the motivation to contribute to a sociaty run by idiots?

[Disco Dan]

Heres the problem spelled out in black and white. We live in a ME --NOW society.There is an expectation of instant gratification.
Dan you hit it on the noggin. Why should you go to uni?--because in the future you will reap the benifits.
A person sitting on their ass on the dole is where they are gonna be in 20 years whereas you have the opertunity to improve yaself.
Person working 40hours a week in a job paying $700 a week is pissed off
Ok so waddayado? Get a second job earning $150 a week flipping burgers onn a friday/saturday night.
That $150 pays for the uni classes so then you can get better pay at ya first job.
But ya keep flippin burgers anyhoo and put the money aside for deposit on a house. Fark me pretty soon you are renting ya house ot to said dole bludger

Quite right there, there is huge gratification from having a job. Believe me I have no intention of going on the social, I plan to go back to uni - but first I must rake in some more $$ from somewhere. THAT is the hard part - but hey nothing good in life is easy.

[FROSTY:Me]

The dole if we must have it should be dished out in tokens redeemable for the basics of life meat/veges etc no smokes/booze, that combined with when the compulsory insurance comes in you might as well hand over your car licence as you do in at least one state in the US as you wont be able to afford insurance.No booze/smokes and car might convince some to get off there arses and get a job.

Bingo dude
I just cannot understand how someone on the dole is able to buy smokes and beer with this money.
Personally I think all unemployed peoples expenses should be paid directly to the landlord,power co etc with a voucher for food.
If they can prove they are going for job interviews then a travel alowance to pay for public transport or petrol

[BIHB@0610]

The voucher should be for garden tools, fertiliser and seeds .... give them something to get off their lazy arses for .....

[homer]

Work vs The Dole.


Now first off, dont get me wrong I am not trying to make a decision here!

Scenarios:

Person XY earns $700 per week then quits and goes on benefit. This person then gets (because of a child) about the same amount per week from the government.

Person YX earns enough to cover expenses with only a couple of hundred to spare each week. This person goes on the social and then gets rent paid by government and pretty much sits on a about $100 per week.

Where is the incentive to work?

Unless your in a high paying job, there is not a lot holding low income people into employment is there!



Now my job is not exactly 'high paid' but it is adequate for my basic requirements for living, although prospects for future growth and 'moving up the ladder' is about nil. Unless of course I go back to University, which costs money.. which I could not afford. I could actually get more money per week as a student on the benefit than working part time while studying... now that is wrong.

now some of you may say $700 scenario is bollocks, but I know that person and she is able to maintain a $300p/w rental in a very good suburb of the shore while living a very nice lifestyle. All taxpayer funded.

is she single , and how do i get on that plan with the govt