2005 600cc Sport production results

[Bren_chch]

3million! thats kind of disgusting! 3MILLION!!

Well anyhow a NZ superstock is a great idea in a perfect NZ, i watched round 1 of the FIM cup, bloody fantastic! Gareth Jones didnt do as well as he would have hoped of course, especially after his riding in NZ but i dont know much about the team he is riding for, the bike is probably a shitta.

ho hum! wednesday tomorrow! BIG WEDNESDAY! I better be getting my ticket!

Shauns gone quite... so i'll go to bed and read his comments tomorrow!

[JJ58]

A little word about sponsorship as I was asked how many riders I sponsored with Ohlins suspension. For this last year actually none. The years have taught me some hard lessons about sponsorship, if you give give give you very seldom actually recieve back its a very moot point what you in real terms recieve back relevant to your investment and you certainly dont always recieve loyalty. I can in fact name some very longstanding loyal riders but by default that then effectively exposes those who havent been so, even though you may have ''loyally'' moved mountains for them.

Coinciding with my tory philosophy I now rather favour a hand up rather than a handout mentality. Over the last race season our first responsibility was to our contracted riders but we still found plenty of time to assist other riders including where neccessary full suspension repairs / revalves at no charge at meetings. If riders are using our product ( purchased from us ) they are comforted to know that at major meetings we are able to access help of that nature. That is our ''sponsorship'' and I believe it is a whole load more valuable than the traditional means. Sponsorship is not a right, it has to be earned.
Thankfully, road racing is a more mature discipline than motocross where a lot or riders almost expect sponsorship as of right.
Incidentally Ohlins AB Sweden dont sponsor anyone. Most of the MotoGP and WSBK fields use Ohlins because they want the best product and they also know that Ohlins has a full and proper race service infrastructure available.

Robert, you do an excellent job and offer great assistance to the NZ motorcycling community. I agree with your tactics. I remember you helping me out with the GSX last year and I didn't even buy much off you. This year I have to pay someone $30cdn each race meeting to set my sags, if I don't then I won't get the adjustment advice I need. I hope that the NZ motorcycling community can see the benefit that you provide them and not be so tight when it comes to suspension...... It makes a huge difference and once you've ridden a well set up bike, the smiles just keep flowing.

[Tony.OK]

But another flipside is that when such distributor bikes get sold off to privateers the upspec components almost always stay on them and the bikes are sold at prices well under the odds to their true cost.

A good example of this is here,Bernard racings Cudlins bike.

[Robert Taylor]

3million! thats kind of disgusting! 3MILLION!!

Well anyhow a NZ superstock is a great idea in a perfect NZ, i watched round 1 of the FIM cup, bloody fantastic! Gareth Jones didnt do as well as he would have hoped of course, especially after his riding in NZ but i dont know much about the team he is riding for, the bike is probably a shitta.

ho hum! wednesday tomorrow! BIG WEDNESDAY! I better be getting my ticket!

Shauns gone quite... so i'll go to bed and read his comments tomorrow!

Yes it does seem a little perverse but this guy is an exporter of an NZ made product and is a major employer of people. I dont knock wealth at all, as long as its not from rampant speculation, they are doing something truly productive and carry people along with them. Compassionate conservatism!

Yes, Gareth is tearing his hair out about his teams set up abilities or lack thereof.

[Shaun]

Blimey you two have some spats on here don't you.....

Its like father and son sometimes.... Shaun i can see you value Roberts knowledge and expertise as a technician, while Robert.... well your replies are so restrained to some of the jibes, that you must have the patience of a saint.

Shaun i can see you're very keen to help riders here in NZ progress and a rider of your experience getting involved in such a fashion is nothing but commendable.

Just as well we all know that you two do actually get on ok most of the time because if we didn't, based on some of the posts here, there'd be a crowd at the circuits waiting the fistycuffs to break out.

There ya go mate, another way of getting more peole to the track eh< You up for it Robert?????

I do respect what Robert does a lot, HE is the best in NZ and = in the world with his work man ship and passion is probally higher than most technicians.

Yes. I am a firey little Red head shit, that often speaks before thinking it through fully, but apart of that comes from my passion for bikes full stop.

I can assure you that I am trying to find a way to shut my mouth on certain points, but when it comes to open disscusion forums like this, I will always be who I have always been.

Robert and myself DO actually get on quite well, I like him a lot, WE ARE very different, but that is the same for 90% of us, given a bit more time and co-operation, I am sure that the relationship between Robert and Myself will only grow, to every ones advantage

[Hellraiser]

So why not use contorl parts in a production series?

That way everyone is on a level playing field Tires, Suspension .... etc etc

[R1madness]

Loving all this. But a few observations to throw into the mix.

When Stroudy rode his 600 with the std shock it was DRY not damp. He said it was fine and even though we did have a WP shock to put in (turned up on the SAT morning) it was decided that we should not fit it as we had no testing time before the races.

Standard shocks would cause the lap times to go up. Bikes to circulate slower, more riders able to "keep up" with the hotrods.

600 production racing used to have to run STD shocks and forks. We didn't crash any more than they do now.

Tyres are rooted at the end of a race anyway even with the "good shocks" what difference do it make?

Every bike has a limiting factor, some my be down on power, others down on braking. Does it matter if the shock is the limiting factor if all bikes have to conform?

[GSVR]

Loving all this. But a few observations to throw into the mix.

When Stroudy rode his 600 with the std shock it was DRY not damp. He said it was fine and even though we did have a WP shock to put in (turned up on the SAT morning) it was decided that we should not fit it as we had no testing time before the races.

Standard shocks would cause the lap times to go up. Bikes to circulate slower, more riders able to "keep up" with the hotrods.

600 production racing used to have to run STD shocks and forks. We didn't crash any more than they do now.

Tyres are rooted at the end of a race anyway even with the "good shocks" what difference do it make?

Every bike has a limiting factor, some my be down on power, others down on braking. Does it matter if the shock is the limiting factor if all bikes have to conform?

Excuse me but are you qualified to make such statements? Do you have a hidden agenda for trying to push these opinions?

Besides if you want to ride an unmodded bike theres Streetstock why dumb down another class like ProTwins for example. Everyone will go slower and its all about going faster isn't it?

[Shaun]

Excuse me but are you qualified to make such statements? Do you have a hidden agenda for trying to push these opinions?

Besides if you want to ride an unmodded bike theres Streetstock why dumb down another class like ProTwins for example. Everyone will go slower and its all about going faster isn't it?

Dumb Down? So making it easier for younger riders to get on the grid and be = as competitive is DUMB is it?

Pro twins, brought in some more riders to the feild, even if you/I/ or others do not agree with some

Streetstock, this is for KIDS, and older people that do not have enough money, or passion/commitment to race in a more exspensive class

What intelligent suggestions do you have then, to create a class with in a class, to help develop young new riders into the 600 feild?

Remember, I am only asking this out of direct passion and interest for the sport, IF there was to be a class like this put in place, I HAVE JUST DONE MYSELF OUT OF POTENTUALL SALES, so I have started this thread with genuine interest in the idea;s from one and all

[svr]

if you want to ride an unmodded bike theres Streetstock why dumb down another class like ProTwins for example. Everyone will go slower and its all about going faster isn't it?

But a standard 14k gsxr 600 is faster than a 20k pro twin bike...

[Shaun]

Loving all this. But a few observations to throw into the mix.

When Stroudy rode his 600 with the std shock it was DRY not damp. He said it was fine and even though we did have a WP shock to put in (turned up on the SAT morning) it was decided that we should not fit it as we had no testing time before the races.

Standard shocks would cause the lap times to go up. Bikes to circulate slower, more riders able to "keep up" with the hotrods.

600 production racing used to have to run STD shocks and forks. We didn't crash any more than they do now.

Tyres are rooted at the end of a race anyway even with the "good shocks" what difference do it make?

Every bike has a limiting factor, some my be down on power, others down on braking. Does it matter if the shock is the limiting factor if all bikes have to conform?

Good on ya for stating this> Andrew is Andrew, and this makes his efforts on this standard shock very understandable, he was also very very fast in the full wet/damp races as well with it!

I am just seriously keen to find a way, to create an easier/cheaper lead in class to the 600 feild, I do not really believe that the average first year or second year rider, is going to be good enough anyway to win races Yet, SO WHY NOT START WITH LOWER SPEC BIKE, to learn tracks, and how the power works etc, whilst being a dam good spy, and watching what all the hot shots are doing with there bikes suspension.

NZ is a very small market place, so SPONSORSHIP is next to impossible here, so why not swallow, and get used to the fact that the NZ market place is different than say AUSTRALIA, and create this class for the future, EVEN AUS, that keeps turning out world class riders, DUE to the finance availlable over there through sales etc, has created a learner 600 class as such, brilliant, and if we followed suit, WE could get some KIWI riders over there, on = bikes for once, and then maybe, we could help to start build a path to get a future A Stroud etc out there.

I know some will say, that with out the trick suspension gear, riders will crash a lot! BOLLOCKS, Riders who now use very quality Suspension gear, still crash, IT is up to the rider to find the point of controll, the suspension does not do this for you, YES, it tells you in advance, that shit is going on, But so does, STD, all be it, Not as quickly or adequatelly as after market, but it does tell you.

And the 10K saved on the performance parts, can be spent on your crash bills, whilst learning, CRASH bills are a part of racing, just ask ROSSI< DOOHAN< GARDENER< ROBERT HOLDEN bla bla

[Shaun]

But a standard 14k gsxr 600 is faster than a 20k pro twin bike...

I miss your point sorry

[svr]

I was replying to gsvr - and as it happens, agreeing with your next post i.e. tha current 600 production bikes are great, (semi) affordable track / race bikes as standard.

[GSVR]

Dumb Down? So making it easier for younger riders to get on the grid and be = as competitive is DUMB is it?

Pro twins, brought in some more riders to the feild, even if you/I/ or others do not agree with some

Streetstock, this is for KIDS, and older people that do not have enough money, or passion/commitment to race in a more exspensive class

What intelligent suggestions do you have then, to create a class with in a class, to help develop young new riders into the 600 feild?

Remember, I am only asking this out of direct passion and interest for the sport, IF there was to be a class like this put in place, I HAVE JUST DONE MYSELF OUT OF POTENTUALL SALES, so I have started this thread with genuine interest in the idea;s from one and all

If there was to be a class like your suggesting MNZ well and truely missed the opportunity with ProTwins!

My suggestion to any young rider with aspirations is to forget about ProTwin or F3 and just get a cheaper second hand 600 machine and ride it slowly Club racing until their skill level came up.

IMO ProTwin bikes should have been a stepping stone out of Streetstock or an introduction to racing outside of Clubmans . What would have been good with this class would have been the ability to by an SV off trademe on Friday, Wire up the sump plug, replace the coolent, and remove the lights on Saturday, And go racing on Sunday. This way alot more racebikes would enter the sport and the second market would be vibrant. If someone wasn't happy with racing a std bike then they could spend shitloads on the same bike and race it in F3.

[Shaun]

If there was to be a class like your suggesting MNZ well and truely missed the opportunity with ProTwins!

My suggestion to any young rider with aspirations is to forget about ProTwin or F3 and just get a cheaper second hand 600 machine and ride it slowly Club racing until their skill level came up.

IMO ProTwin bikes should have been a stepping stone out of Streetstock or an introduction to racing outside of Clubmans . What would have been good with this class would have been the ability to by an SV off trademe on Friday, Wire up the sump plug, replace the coolent, and remove the lights on Saturday, And go racing on Sunday. This way alot more racebikes would enter the sport and the second market would be vibrant. If someone wasn't happy with racing a std bike then they could spend shitloads on the same bike and race it in F3.

OK, so you dont actually have anything to share towards this discussion then for the 600 class, so why not take your PRO TWINS complaints, ( Again ) back to the PRO TWIN thread then, instead of infecting what is turning into a very good topic on here please GSVR