Go Labour!!!

**Dafe** · 29th April 2008, 06:25

NOT!!!!!!!

Helen Clark has announced that the petition for removal of GST on foods will not be considered by the labour government, instead stating that the government would address hardship through there working for families scheme.

Also, Helen Clark has announced that it will not block the sale of Wellington's Vector energy to a Hong Kong company. Wellington should be bracing for rapidly increasing electricity prices in the near future.

Another big thank you to Labour......... and to anybody who has supported Labour over the past 9 years. Another company brought out by overseas investors.

Now, the buy back of railways at a ridiculous cost and at a time where many tax payers require some relief from rising costs of living - Nope, never had it from labour and never will. Some will blame National for selling the railways but don't forget who made railways an SOE. Both parties to blame here.

Labour has pretty much screwed this country. They drain the workers money in high taxes and low income payments, they provide pathetic health amenities and very poor support to businesses. They do however take excellent care of refugees, solo mothers on the DPB and the unemployed.

At a time where New Zealand is forking out money for nothing, under the kyoto protocol and the government is imposing carbon taxes upon the already heavily taxed public, the government has just gone out and purchased 50 BMW's. NZ still uses less pollution in one year than China does in one day. Still we pay a fortune to the Kyoto prtotocol for our emission pollution and still China tells Kyoto and all other pollution programmes to piss off. No fee incurred. So while China does the real damage, we pay taxes to cover insignificant damage. Good on ya Labour!!!

**smokeyging** · 29th April 2008, 06:53

well, i did'nt vote for the pricks
and as thick as they are, i'll bet its not there fault why everyones leaving the country too....

**bane** · 29th April 2008, 07:29

well, if you want a collalition that would do the opposite, good luck with the NZ First/Green/Maori Party government....

National would do exactly the same as Labour has done here.

**Usarka** · 29th April 2008, 07:35

Brian gaynor (heh) summed it up nicely this morning - decisions on what are "strategic assets" such as wellington power or Auckland airport are being made on a purely political basis rather than what's in the best long term interestest of the country.

I wonder if there's any correlation between our bad poverty rating and the incentives to get benefits in this country.......

**PrincessBandit** · 29th April 2008, 08:23

No wonder the poll I saw the other day asking people regarding their interest in fleeing to West Island had the vast majority saying they were seriously considering it. If we're not careful, Australia might decide to close their borders to us to stop an incoming tidal wave of Kiwis exponentially exploding!!!

(Wow, what alliteration so early in the morning)

**MisterD** · 29th April 2008, 08:28

Originally Posted by bane

National would do exactly the same as Labour has done here.

There's nothing wrong with the sale of the network, which has in fact previously been owned by a Canadian and then US based company...electricity supply is very highly regulated for both price and quality of service. The crowd that have bought it currently (no pun intended) run electricity supply networks in Melbourne and SA, so they do know what they are doing.

The inconsistency is with Liarbour playing politics. National, rightly would have allowed the airport deal...and Labour deserve to be shown up for the petty, shortsighted control freaks that they are.

**Mully** · 29th April 2008, 08:29

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

If we're not careful, Australia might decide to close their borders to us to stop an incoming tidal wave of Kiwis exponentially exploding!!

Thankfully not. They are really keen to get Kiwis in there as globally, Kiwis are rated as really good workers.

Well, until the current crop of bludgers stuffs it up for us.

**Clockwork** · 29th April 2008, 08:46

So you think National would remove GST from food? Surely if your concerned for the plight of the poor you should target assistance rather than provide it everyone and if you want people off the dole you would provide tax incentives for them to work such as "Working For Families" rather than accross the board tax cuts.

You would prefer that Wellington's electricity network was back in NZ ownership? Me too, but I know National/Act wouldn't care and anyway I doubt they can stop the sale to a Chinese company since signing the free trade agreement with China.

You political opinions don't seem very consistent other than "whatever Labour does, it must be wrong!!"

**Mully** · 29th April 2008, 09:22

Originally Posted by Clockwork

So you think National would remove GST from food? Surely if your concerned for the plight of the poor you should target assistance rather than provide it everyone and if you want people off the dole you would provide tax incentives for them to work such as "Working For Families" rather than accross the board tax cuts.

National have already said that removing GST from food isn't an option. My thoughts are that removing it on vegetables, etc is a better idea than a blanket removal anyway, but AU have made that complicated (raw chicken is exempt, cooked chickens are taxable), so I think NZ is reluctant to follow.

Working for familes only encourages people to have more children than they can afford. People I know with two kids (because they decided that's all they can afford) get nothing from the Government, and they are the ones getting squeezed by prices (petrol, mortgage, etc). This is why the workers (who pay all the tax, not the bludgers) are all fucking off overseas at a rate of knots. Tax cuts are the only thing which will keep the people PAYING for working for families here.

Raising wages (for everyone) is the only way NZ will dig itself out of the hole we are in.

**Clockwork** · 29th April 2008, 09:42

It seems to me that if a Nation isn't to die within a generation it would be to societies benefit to assist couples to have children. As to the details of "Working For Familes" I must admit that as I will never benefit from it I really havn't looked into how it's divvied up. I do know that my taxes didn't go up when it was introduced and that its better to encourage the low paid to work rather than sit on the dole.

I don't have a problem with assisting the next generation, I expect as I get older I will need their assistance in return. And I know the previous generation mostly paid for my education and health care.

If we're not paid enough in NZ, I suspect that started around the time of the Employment Contacts act...... who was responsible for that?

Of course these days if we want to be paid more our employers just export our jobs. Unfortunately they can't do that with workers in our infrastucture industries so they just sell-off the infrastructure and export the profits instead.

**Devil** · 29th April 2008, 09:45

It doesn't make sense to remove the GST on anything. Unfortunately I agree with Uncle Helen, but our simple to administer GST scheme is a good thing and it shouldn't be fux0red with.

Perhaps removing some of the taxes from petrol would kill two birds with one stone. Bring gas prices down, and also have an effect on food prices too.

**Mully** · 29th April 2008, 09:57

Originally Posted by Clockwork

It seems to me that if a Nation isn't to die within a generation it would be to societies benefit to assist couples to have children.
*snip*

OT, but agreed. But WFF doesn't assist middle-income NZ couples who make good choices about how many children they should have, based on what they can afford. Assistance to them is certainly a good thing (paid parental leave springs to mind). Income splitting is also worth investigation IMO

What is does do is make low-income earners not think about whether or not to breed, but just to pop out sprogs with impunity as they know the Govt will keep stumping up the cash to support them. Which drives the mindset of "The Government will pay" which means that we have fewer people to prop up the gravy train of beneficiaries (especially when a Doctor can go overseas, get paid twice as much and have half the stress levels of working here, that's tax revenue & a skillset NZ has missed out on).

Then you get into the poverty cycle. Low education = low paying jobs, more children = overcrowding, disease, child abuse, drug abuse, alcohol abuse

Support systems which were meant to be a safety net have been used as a way of life for too long.

**MisterD** · 29th April 2008, 10:00

Originally Posted by Mully

OT, but agreed. But WFF doesn't assist middle-income NZ couples who make good choices about how many children they should have, based on what they can afford. Assistance to them is certainly a good thing (paid parental leave springs to mind). Income splitting is also worth investigation IMO

What is does do is make low-income earners not think about whether or not to breed, but just to pop out sprogs with impunity as they know the Govt will keep stumping up the cash to support them. Which drives the mindset of "The Government will pay" which means that we have fewer people to prop up the gravy train of beneficiaries (especially when a Doctor can go overseas, get paid twice as much and have half the stress levels of working here, that's tax revenue & a skillset NZ has missed out on).

Then you get into the poverty cycle. Low education = low paying jobs, more children = overcrowding, disease, child abuse, drug abuse, alcohol abuse

Support systems which were meant to be a safety net have been used as a way of life for too long.

To paraphrase for the hard of thinking (aka Labour voters):

Tax payers breed tax payers, beneficiaries breed beneficiaries.

**firefighter** · 29th April 2008, 10:11

Originally Posted by Mully

National have already said that removing GST from food isn't an option. My thoughts are that removing it on vegetables, etc is a better idea than a blanket removal anyway, but AU have made that complicated (raw chicken is exempt, cooked chickens are taxable), so I think NZ is reluctant to follow.

Working for familes only encourages people to have more children than they can afford. People I know with two kids (because they decided that's all they can afford) get nothing from the Government, and they are the ones getting squeezed by prices (petrol, mortgage, etc). This is why the workers (who pay all the tax, not the bludgers) are all fucking off overseas at a rate of knots. Tax cuts are the only thing which will keep the people PAYING for working for families here.

Raising wages (for everyone) is the only way NZ will dig itself out of the hole we are in.

I think you'll find that was a convenient excuse.......hell all they need to do is copy australias list, and adjust anything which wouldn't suit here, it's not really all that complicated.......processed or un-natural gets taxed, cooked/processed is, and it's a great incentive for healthier eating, the reason that hasn't made a diff in auz is because they never taxed the healthy stuff in the first place.