Go Labour!!!

**MisterD** · 29th April 2008, 12:38

Originally Posted by Clockwork

That's a bit glib isn't it? Can't you just pretend that all your taxes are spent on only the things that are important to you such as health care, Police, roads etc.

On the other hand if really do want to live tax free and you can find such a society then I'm sure they'll welome your contribution.

Now who's being glib?

WFF is a process whereby a bunch of people are paid to take money off us, then another bunch of people are paid to give it back to those that qualify.
You can't tell me it wouldn't be more efficient just to work out a way just to take less money off the average working Kiwi in the first place...society should provide a safety net, not a hammock and Sky TV.

**Clockwork** · 29th April 2008, 14:14

But then all those unemployed public servants might start to breed more beneficiaries.

Anyway, WFF wasn't really the point of this thread. I believe its orginal purpose was to bash the Government no matter what it does so...

...as you were.

**avgas** · 29th April 2008, 14:59

Originally Posted by smokeyging

well, i did'nt vote for the pricks
and as thick as they are, i'll bet its not there fault why everyones leaving the country too....

If ya can't vote for your country, you have to vote with you feet.

**mister.koz** · 29th April 2008, 15:47

The more i look at it the more appealing the aussie shores are. I earn a reasonable buck but nothing special and my tax every fortnight is a reasonably painful figure.

The "initiatives" that have been put in place to help people in need are quickly made bad by people who abuse the system. Too many times at 2am on a thursday morning i have been at countdown in the need for a programming-chocolate rush and seen queue's of people with 4 boxes of beer and a loaf of bread.

I have talked to people who have had kids so they don't have to work

what life does that offer the kids? one of them even bragged about earning more than most people, owning her own house and not working for it.... i am not saying parenting isn't working, but becoming a parent so you don't have to work is just crap.

Its hard to be overly patriotic when some people (definately not all) take advantage of the tax we all pay.

I think taking GST off of food is a silly idea, it will just have to be made up elsewhere... It would make more sense if they implemented a non-percentage based tax on fuel; a fixed rate like 30c a litre. currently the more expensive fuel gets, the more tax you pay, its just another bang for people who drive around a bit! and being that gas is pricey, the people who can afford it (i.e. working people) end up paying MORE tax.

Lucky i just sold my subaru's and have 2 wheels now, long live the 250cc

**judecatmad** · 29th April 2008, 16:06

Originally Posted by Dafe

Helen Clark has announced that the petition for removal of GST on foods will not be considered by the labour government, instead stating that the government would address hardship through there working for families scheme.

When I heard her say that in interview I found myself ranting at the TV screen!! Poor old TV.

What (s)he fails to understand is it's not just the families eligible for working for families that are hurting any more. And those eligible for help are actually, in some instances, in a BETTER position than those paying full whack for everything.

I looked at the working for families site about 6 months ago, when they announced that many more families would now be eligible, and with one child we would get about $12 a week if I stayed off work. Wouldn't even buy a 1kg block of cheese!

**Corsa.co** · 29th April 2008, 16:22

I don`t know why,you guys Voted for them!

**madandy** · 29th April 2008, 18:36

I struggle to understand Labour's policies at times.
I'm all for raising the overall standard of living but I resent the unemployed with uptmost contempt. There are jobs that need doing and only immigrfants who'll accept low wages will do them!
Unemployed for more than 3 months and physically able? Pick fruit, mow lawns, hell sweep the streets mate.
It's usually easier to find a better job when you're in employment so those actively searching for work they like would be more likely to get that 'dream job' if they were working rather than not.
There's far too many people collecting sickness benefits that should be working...too many people being too picky about the sort of work they do and staying on the gummint payroll.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 29th April 2008, 18:42

Originally Posted by madandy

I struggle to understand Labour's policies at times.
I'm all for raising the overall standard of living but I resent the unemployed with uptmost contempt. There are jobs that need doing and only immigrfants who'll accept low wages will do them!
Unemployed for more than 3 months and physically able? Pick fruit, mow lawns, hell sweep the streets mate.
It's usually easier to find a better job when you're in employment so those actively searching for work they like would be more likely to get that 'dream job' if they were working rather than not.
There's far too many people collecting sickness benefits that should be working...too many people being too picky about the sort of work they do and staying on the gummint payroll.

Labours policy for everything is to tax it... that will fix you see...

**Mully** · 29th April 2008, 20:01

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

Labours policy for everything is to tax it... that will fix you see...

If it moves, tax it till it stops moving.

Then subsidise it.

**peasea** · 29th April 2008, 21:52

Originally Posted by Devil

Perhaps removing some of the taxes from petrol would kill two birds with one stone. Bring gas prices down, and also have an effect on food prices too.

And we could drive to KFC for a cheaper feed.

**Hitcher** · 29th April 2008, 22:06

Hopefully this GST exemption nonsense is just a flash in the pan. The strength of an effective GST system is lack of exemptions/loopholes for the entrepreneurial and enterprising to extort. People are poor and can't afford life's necessities because visionless and spineless politicians have no vision for New Zealand and have fucked the economy through excessive regulation, bureaucracy, taxation and spending. An over-zealous socialist approach has taken the focus off growing a bigger economic cake, instead obsessing about "fairly" allocating a shrinking one.

And now, as they can smell the fumes from their fast-evaporating chances of electoral success, tax cuts are being bundled through in haste. It will take more than shallow stunts like that to save your arse, Dr Cullen. Too little, too late.

I'm still waiting for that big picture vision, from any politician, not just the inept whose bloated, corrupt and venal arses reside on the treasury benches.