Go Labour!!!

[Robert Taylor]

seig heil!

Robert Taylor votes for fascism

why am i not surprised?

Why am I not surprised that is the assumption you would automatically make....I believe in a fair deal for everyone under a label ''compassionate conservatism'' Its a little unfortunate that people who choose to disagree with left leaning principles are labelled ''dickheads'' or such like.
If you want to define the early beginnings of fascist leanings look no further than the ''bitch from belsen'' and her cocky little cheshire cat running this country. As for the greens....well I had some respect for some of Rod Donalds less radical views, no disrespect to him but the best one is a dead one.
My father and his father before that both fought in the European theatres of the 2 respective world wars to help defeat fascism. I respect them and their contemporaries for doing so.
Call me any name you care but I think Ive got a little more respect for other peoples views ( thats saying something ) than the rivers of abusive filth that pour forth from many posts.

[Manxman]

Ding, ding. Round 3.

Rob-ert, Rob-ert, Rob-ert...

[98tls]

Prescribe any remedy you like boys but methinks the ship has sunk,to late to bad.Every man for himself i say.Coming from the country i say "bring back Rob" Muldoon that is.No offence Rob T.

[rainman]

only dreamers and the ignorami really believe national won't sell NZ out to whoever they can

I didn't realise there was much left to sell....

...but yup, I have no doubt that if we have two terms of a Nat govt, anything not nailed down would be sold. Come to think of it though, I'm not sure this is an area where Labour is that much different.

[Oscar]

grow a brain stupid, i said 'subsidise' telecom

why the fuck should tax payers spent 1.5 billion so that private foreign owned companies can charge us for the services we build with that money?

OK, smart guy - explain the difference between "subsidising" someone $1.5b and giving it to them.

Then, if yer not too tired from all that thinking, tell us who else is supposed to skin up the money for IT infrastructure. Or perhaps, you're one of those Greenie "great leap backwards" morons who'd have us all living in caves, knitting our own yoghurt.

[Oscar]

seig heil!

Robert Taylor votes for fascism

why am i not surprised?

Why are you not surprised?
Perhaps your melon is as devoid of intellect as your posts here...?

[MisterD]

already they have said they will subsidise a private foreign company (telecom) to the tune of 1.5 billion dollars with tax payers money.

It won't neccessarily be Telecom, it could easily be Vodafone that antes up - but guess what they're "foreign owned" too, but the funny thing is I know plenty of Kiwis with shares in both.

Secondly, whichever actually gets the gig, it will more than likely be Downer Engineering that does the work, who are Australian....but the majority of the costs of build are going to be a) equipment, which is by neccessity all Merkin, European, Japanese and b) Labour costs....it will actually be a heap of Kiwi workers earning money to put fibre into the ground, and that all goes back in tax and spend into the economy.

This is as vital to the country as railways were in the 1800's

I think it's a fantastic policy, but I'll declare an interest - if this gets done, I may get to sell a fair bit of test gear to the network owner and the service providers too.

[Robert Taylor]

Ding, ding. Round 3.

Rob-ert, Rob-ert, Rob-ert...

Dont worry, largely those of foul mouth and untreatable communist tendencies should be ignored with the contempt that they truly deserve! Enough said.

[avgas]

Secondly, whichever actually gets the gig, it will more than likely be Downer Engineering that does the work, who are Australian.

Tell that to Alcatel Lucent and Transfield, If the power industry is anything to go buy i think the tendering process is going to get nasty.

[Robert Taylor]

Prescribe any remedy you like boys but methinks the ship has sunk,to late to bad.Every man for himself i say.Coming from the country i say "bring back Rob" Muldoon that is.No offence Rob T.

Well......like the bitch from belsen he had dictator like tendencies and he was also a socialist. BUT, he was better looking, had a sense of humour and was very likable.
And I think all the cabinet ministers of the era of the pre Kirk Government era were a better class of person than what we have today. If you look at the Marshall government they were a good bunch of kiwi blokes with their feet firmly on the ground. Then the country totally lost its marbles and elected that idiot Kirk. That is where the rot started to set in.

[MisterD]

Tell that to Alcatel Lucent and Transfield, If the power industry is anything to go buy i think the tendering process is going to get nasty.

I did say "more than likely" and with the relative strengths of Downer and Transfield - given than Downer have just bought Astute (Vodaf and TClear's main contractor) that's what I'd predict.

Alcatel-Lucent will get the install work for the active equipment, then if form is anything to go by, subcontract to Downers.

[Skyryder]

Why am I not surprised that is the assumption you would automatically make....I believe in a fair deal for everyone under a label ''compassionate conservatism''

Compassionete conservatism. First time I've heard of the Oxymoron Party.

Where do they rule?


Skyryder

[idleidolidyll]

Why am I not surprised that is the assumption you would automatically make....I believe in a fair deal for everyone under a label ''compassionate conservatism''

That's fucking hjilarious! The current example of 'compassionate conservatism' is the USA where victims of hurricane Katrina largley remain in abject poverty and have been actively prevented from returning to their home city. Where the poor are sent to die for the rich in an illegal war. Where 'trickle down' has always been a farce and 'rush up' is the reality. Where more than 10% of the country cannot afford basic health care insurance. Where racism was supposed to have ended just 50 years ago bit where in fact it is practiced by government at all levels. Where "No Child Left Behind" works for the rich but not for the poor.

Compassionate conservatism is merely a smoke screen to hide abuse.

Its a little unfortunate that people who choose to disagree with left leaning principles are labelled ''dickheads'' or such like.

It's not the choice of left or right, it's the ignorance of the effects of abusive policies with pretty propagandist names that invite the epithet.

If you want to define the early beginnings of fascist leanings look no further than the ''bitch from belsen'' and her cocky little cheshire cat running this country. As for the greens....well I had some respect for some of Rod Donalds less radical views, no disrespect to him but the best one is a dead one.

No, I am not interested in defining your use of fascism, the word is classically defined as "Extreme right wing dictatorial government" and it did not start in Belsen or in Germany. It started many many centuries ago but was given a name by Mussolini and fascist Spain. Ignorance of history is as pitiful as ignorance of cause and effect.
Your childish attack on Clark is another wonderful piece of wilful ignorance: ignorance of the tact that leadership of the right wing parties of NZ have almost always been more dictatorial and manipulative than she.

My father and his father before that both fought in the European theatres of the 2 respective world wars to help defeat fascism. I respect them and their contemporaries for doing so.

And? Re herrings and other logical fallacies are completely unimpressive. My father fought in Vietnam and Malaysia, does that make everything I say the word of god?

Call me any name you care but I think Ive got a little more respect for other peoples views ( thats saying something ) than the rivers of abusive filth that pour forth from many posts.

No, you are completely intolerant and your advocacy of fascism, heartless conservatism and condemnation of the poor and disadvantaged here identify your vain, but common among conservatives, belief that you are superior and 'know whats best' for them attitude.

'Conservatism' cloaked in a thin veil of compassion has so far slaughtered or caused the deaths of tens of millions of human beings and the terrorism of many millions more and that slaughter and terrorism is continued today by the creatures behind the US government you seem to so admire. Conservatism should be identified as it is in fact: intolerance and abuse.

[idleidolidyll]

It won't neccessarily be Telecom, it could easily be Vodafone that antes up - but guess what they're "foreign owned" too, but the funny thing is I know plenty of Kiwis with shares in both.

Secondly, whichever actually gets the gig, it will more than likely be Downer Engineering that does the work, who are Australian....but the majority of the costs of build are going to be a) equipment, which is by neccessity all Merkin, European, Japanese and b) Labour costs....it will actually be a heap of Kiwi workers earning money to put fibre into the ground, and that all goes back in tax and spend into the economy.

This is as vital to the country as railways were in the 1800's

I think it's a fantastic policy, but I'll declare an interest - if this gets done, I may get to sell a fair bit of test gear to the network owner and the service providers too.

'Telecom' was merely a flag of identification. Indeed, a raft opf foreign commercial enterprises will benefit from the gift out of tax payers money. They will use that gift to charge us for the privelage of giving it.
Capitalism is a social failure when the money of the poor and middle classes are used to increase the profits of the rich and privelaged.

[idleidolidyll]

Compassionete conservatism. First time I've heard of the Oxymoron Party.

Where do they rule?


Skyryder

They rule in the USA and as you've guessed; it's all just smoke and mirrors hiding abuse and manipulation designed to increase power and privelage for the haves at the expense of the have nots.