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    ....... but my goverment said it was ok, ..... and I was it on TV too,........ surely it must be ok becuase someone in authority told me so.

    They wouldent lie to me,.... would they !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    in fact i've made many suggestions, given many examples and posted references and links to data so you can educate yourself.
    Nah - ignorance is bliss.

    All the things you describe above have been happening for decades, and will still be happening long after we are all dead.

    I would rather worry about the drainage in my back yard and fixing the spouting as I actually have some control over that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatcap View Post
    I can't speak for Robert, but I find the uber-rich just as annoying as the destitute, just with better accessories
    I concur 100%. I do respect wealth if it has been earnt by sheer hard work, carrying people along with you, as opposed to wealth creation primarily by speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Well here's one way..................

    Behind TV Analysts, Pentagon's Hidden Hand (April 20, 2008)
    New York Times reveals that the Pentagon groomed a 'media Trojan horse' of retired military generals to appear as "objective" specialists in mass media and shape public perceptions in favor of the administration's terrorism policy. Many of these "analysts," which Fox News, NBC and CNN employed, worked as lobbyists for military contractors and held positions at defense firms that sought Pentagon contracts. This article argues that an "implicit trade of privileged access for favorable coverage" between military analysts and Department of Defense has destroyed the dividing line between government and journalism.
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/media/2008/0420hiddenhand.htm
    Oh Im really sorry, there is obviously only one type of compassionate conservatism. I am so silly to disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Oh Im really sorry, there is obviously only one type of compassionate conservatism. I am so silly to disagree with you.
    Have you taken time out from stealing from the poor and killing Iranians to make a post, Robert?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

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    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Is all this from The Conspiracy Theorists' Gazette?
    This is one of the things the Right does really well. Using 'conspiracy theory' to undermine opposition. Bundling all the 'greenies' nay-saying with all those 'snake headed aliens running the world' myths. If you take this celery eater's point seriously, you're just as bad as those who believe in Roswell.

    Definitely a smarter form of belittlement than laughing louder than the opponent making a good point. It could ruin everything if people took the 'greenies' point into account, but luckily the general public are stupid and will disregard the comment since it's being laughed at. Not that they could hear much of it. Much easier than thinking of intelligent rebuttal.

    Partly why I hate Labour since they're adopting the laugh in their debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post
    Have you taken time out from stealing from the poor and killing Iranians to make a post, Robert?
    That's a gross over-generalisation you tree hugging hippy! Go smoke some dope.


    Those that favour the right over here really have nothing to do with killing Iranians. Well not many anyway, a few of them are rich enough for shares in Northrop Grumman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    That's a gross over-generalisation you tree hugging hippy!
    Me a tree hugging hippy??!! Hahahaha, I'm an ag-pilot, mate, I LOVE 2,4,D and 2,4,5,T even


    And the Green Party? I've said it before, they reckon they care so much about the planet.....and they're hardly ever on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post
    Me a tree hugging hippy??!! Hahahaha, I'm an ag-pilot, mate, I LOVE 2,4,D and 2,4,5,T even


    And the Green Party? I've said it before, they reckon they care so much about the planet.....and they're hardly ever on it
    Dont forget the napalm! More talk like this and you will encroach into the reading time of those who include in their library ''The life and times of Chairman Mao''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Dont forget the napalm! More talk like this and you will encroach into the reading time of those who include in their library ''The life and times of Chairman Mao''
    Rob, these interruptions are SERIOUSLY getting in the way of my re-reading of Mein Kampf. Please be sensitive to my needs
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessBandit View Post
    All was good until I realised that having 105kg of man sliding into my rear was a tad uncomfortable after a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussy View Post
    Me a tree hugging hippy??!! Hahahaha, I'm an ag-pilot, mate, I LOVE 2,4,D and 2,4,5,T even
    And the Green Party? I've said it before, they reckon they care so much about the planet.....and they're hardly ever on it
    Are you quite sure that you haven't been spraying the stuff the lunatic fringe (greenies) have been smoking?
    They have some type of brain damage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    oh dear manxman, just because you've missed all my suggestive posts doesn't mean they're not there.

    in fact i've made many suggestions, given many examples and posted references and links to data so you can educate yourself.

    please don't bleat to me if you missed it and don't for a second expect me to repost everything
    Oh dear yerself. Don't worry about me matey I'm well 'educated' thanks, but I do appreciate your concern for us lesser mortals, which is duly noted. Well educated enough, that is, to earn a decent wage and bring up a family to the best of my ability, with good values. However, if you think I/we should be educated to believe the things that you believe in, then think again blue eyes...'cos you're sh*t outta luck.

    Or let's put it another way...I can't be bummed reading through your previous posts (actually, I started reading from the start but soon lost interest. BTW, when did you start growing that massive superiority complex [you know, the type that comes with a hugely condescending attitude toward others, with an unfailing ego that never lets you think that you might be wrong...even when you are?], cos you started off sounding like quite a reasonable type of guy on, err, post #1, but it sorta went downhill and got real defensive real quick after that, ay? If I look out of my window here in Wgn and if it ain't cloudy, I'm sure I can see it casting a big all seeing, all knowing shadow off there in the distance to the north.

    No apologies for the 'ad hominem'...I thought you would appreciate it, since you are a very good exponent of it (I had to research this one which, for the other underlings among us, means playing the man, not the ball).

    Sure there's all sorts of shite goin on in the world, but that's the human condition (have you researched the scientific evidence behind that little beauty) - it doesn't matter who is in charge/pulling the strings. Everyone's in it for themselves when push comes to shove. I'll say it again, it's the human condition and there isn't any amount of theory or scientific research that's going to change that. Let's say, for example, everyone signed up to the full remit of the Kyoto Protocol tomorrow, there would still be someone, somewhere, somehow, on the make from it. And would the climate improve? Or is this just a cycle...remember, the Thames used to freeze over only a few hundred years ago.

    When push does come to shove in my world, I don't care if it's the oppressive corporates running the joint, purely because I'm not so hot on the alternatives of an oppressive religious/socialist (we're almost there...)/communist/facist/dictatorial/green (take your pick, and I'm sure there are others) regime. None of these would do any better, or worse, a job of it. Would you be so vociferous in your criticism if any of these were in control? Would you even get the opportunity to exercise your freedom of speech...

    BTW, rest assured I won't bleat (I'm Manx, not English - sorry to all you sheep shaggin' POMMIES here ...just kidding guys, you're great), let alone expect you to repost anything that you've written on your 'Answers to the Universe' (which is 42...oh, no wait, new 'scientific research' now puts it at 65 http://www.dogsbody.org/news/ultimate65.html).

    Goodnesssakes, it's takes me long enough to read and digest even the smallest of snippets of your theses (that's the plural of thesis...but you knew that, of course).

    No offence intended, but if you took some, then, well: You're a kiwi - harden up man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    Tayor labelled himself a compassionate conservative; I suggest the same answer applies

    the Yanks claim to be a democracy: I suggest the same answer applies

    National claims to care: I suggest the same answer applies
    Any politician claims they are acting in the public's best interest; I suggest the same answer applies.

    If all politicians are just as bad as each other, surely we should be voting for the one which delivers each of us personally the best deal (precisely what Labour has been doing by creating more beneficiaries). Because I choose to work to earn what I have, my personal view is the mighty dollar - money (back) in my pocket.

    I have health insurance, no children, a superannuation scheme and pay fire service levies on all my insurances (the Police must surely be nearly self-funding by now). If we were playing that game, I could surely argue that I should vote for a party that promises that I don't need to pay tax at all, as I get very little benefit from it.

    Robert has defined his view of compassionate conservatism previously. While the US may claim to practice the same thing, I doubt their definition is the same as his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    perhaps it is but if the public pays for it, the public should own it.
    i have no issue stumping up with the money as long as it doesn't just mean foreign owned companies with no NZ social conscience get to make huge profits from our money by charging us for the very thing we paid for again and again and again
    Don't you understand that we can't afford to do this on our own? $1.5bn is about 25% of what it is going to take...so private money will have to fill the gap, and yes, that means they will charge for services and expect to make a profit.

    Crucially though, whoever owns the network and whoever supplies services on that network will be regulated, that's what our 25% buys us, control. Can you give me another model that achieves the outcome of a world-class communications network in time for us not to be left behind? IMHO, we either do this, or resign ourselves to becoming a "green" themepark and a museum of 20th century life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    ... they haven't moved the threshold in years, so we have enormous "bracket creep". Since the last election 150,000 extra taxpayers have moved into the 39c bracket.
    Quite right. And it needs to be addressed. Maybe by doing away with brackets, rebates and anything else that complicates, and reduces the efficiency of the system.

    And where did I get my information from? Try www.oecd.org for starters.
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