Gordon Copeland is an arse

[Usarka]

i had a go on gta iv in the weekend. i could not see any incentive for running over pedestrians, or for beating up innocent people (apart from the cops which unfortunately goes with the territory when you're a bad-ass crim).

So, if people are going to play games where they race around streets in cars, isnt it better that there are consequences like running over innocent people? Or should games not depict consequences for acts like this?

[Lias]

Personally, the "moral majority" types and the drag queen that runs the OFLC are far more likely to make me go on a postal killing spree than a computer game.

[Clockwork]

MMP is a system that demonstrably allows minorities to demand favours from the big parties who often rely on their support, forcing legislation on the majority who dont want such nonsense. Perverse.

I think you mean that MMP allows the majority of voters some say in how the country is to be run. Rather than, as was frequently the case under FPP, the majority getting no say at all.

Of course if you arn't prepared to compromise for others..... simply secure more than 50% of the vote, that works in MMP too.

[avgas]

Wow yet another thread that i have missed alot in.
Scummy to answer you question as far as im concerned 1 death hunting by cause of 1 man shooting another man is 1 too many.
Hunting 101 states that you must at all times identify you target, sight, confirm and re-identify. It is not war in the bush, the deer is not going to charge you (Although a tusker may sprint away ?towards? you depending one where your dogs are).
Or do we loose hope in hunting as we have with driving - let everyone have a go?
I mean how the f do you shoot someone wearing a fluro orange camo fleece jumper??? then say "I though he was a dear". I'm not saying there is mass slaughter out there - I'm just merly stating that the chances of seeing another hunter the bush is slim. So shooting one should be near impossible. If not you really hate your hunting buddy.

Now back to guns vs games thread. The 2 have to co-exist. So the best thing would be keep them separate. Yes games simulate bad things. Before them books/stories would. Everything in moderation. No Playstation for every spare moment, no taking a .223 out for your (unskilled) mates to play with.

[Usarka]

woohoo how about some research from the good ol secret service (ssshhh)

http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/safety...acksreport.pdf

Looks at previous school shooting incidents and examines possible factors such as video games....

• Approximately one-quarter of the attackers had exhibited an interest in violent movies (27 percent, n=11).

• Approximately one-quarter of the attackers had exhibited an interest in violent books (24 percent, n=10).

• One-eighth of the attackers exhibited an interest in violent video games (12 percent, n=5).

• The largest group of attackers exhibited an interest in violence in their own writings, such as poems, essays, or journal entries (37 percent, n=15).

[jrandom]

[LilSel]

FB & I bought GTA3 the other day...

spoke to the guy at the games shop counter... he said that the only censored part of GTA4 is a 21 sec clip... not the actual game play... & its a big hooohaaaa over nothing as its only a short clip that you can prob find on youtube anyways

[ManDownUnder]

Now back to guns vs games thread. The 2 have to co-exist. So the best thing would be keep them separate. Yes games simulate bad things. Before them books/stories would. Everything in moderation. No Playstation for every spare moment, no taking a .223 out for your (unskilled) mates to play with.

I agree they have to co-exist, but my approach is one of people having informed opinions (oh the irony since I'm running on relative hearsay about GT4). Generalising, them that understands the reality of killing something will have a more balance view while playing the game than those that have no idea what it's like.

The first blast from a decent gun is a very impressive, and can be an intimidating thing. The sheer power is far from anything a gaming console could ever portray, and the mess made of an animal etc is also pretty hard to portray.

The dog below is a good example of exactly that - someone posted it a few days back and while it's not tasteful that is reality. I find it hard to draw any comparisons between that and the "bang-I'm dead, have another go" attitude I see in a lot of kids, now adults too. War is seen as glorious in games, and also in some parts of society - while anyone that's seen the reality of war will most likely tell you otherwise.

[ManDownUnder]

GTA4.

2 questions
1) Is this actually from the game - watch it all the way to the end.
2) You say this is ok for people to do - even virtually?

Real fucken Jake the Muss stuff that... what a hero...

So - thnks I... what else is out there... look at the the very next one I found

I personally draw a distinction between movies (passive) and games where the involvement is active, and anyone with sadistic tendencies is going to have them rewarded by actually being able to do this shit. In grossly simple terms - I can see how this could easil make bad people worse.

This is being sold in the name of entertainment! I dont want that shit on the shelves...

[ManDownUnder]

Personally, the "moral majority" types and the drag queen that runs the OFLC are far more likely to make me go on a postal killing spree than a computer game.

So remind me, are you for or against GTA4 being on the shelves?

[jrandom]

[Str8 Jacket]

This is being sold in the name of entertainment! I dont want that shit on the shelves...

I think we really do get where you are coming from but some of us dont agree. To be honest mate your arguments are getting more than alot frustrating. As much as you hate it, your going to have to accept that the game is here to stay and people will play it, some of them quite 'normal' as well.

Anyway, I thought you were leaving?!!!

[ManDownUnder]

As much as you hate it, your going to have to accept that the game is here to stay and people will play it, some of them quite 'normal' as well.

That same line of argument applies to P as well - I have similar concerns and similarly expect people to question it's use (although P is an order of magnitude above GTA4 IMHO)

Anyway, I thought you were leaving?!!!

I've hit phase two... waiting patiently and slowly ingraciating myself my into KB with my tail between my legs pretending nothing's wrong.

[Str8 Jacket]

That same line of argument applies to P as well - I have similar concerns and similarly expect people to question it's use (although P is an order of magnitude above GTA4 IMHO)

Yep for sure. Life sucks, there are horrible things that happen and sometimes there isnt a thing we can do about it so I prefer just to look after myself and get my tits in a tangle only over things that I can change, or suck it up and move on. Lifes too short and I would rather not be depressed for more than 50% of it.

[imdying]

Generalising, them that understands the reality of killing something will have a more balance view while playing the game than those that have no idea what it's like.

Except that they're, ya know, not actually killing stuff... it's a game.

1) Is this actually from the game - watch it all the way to the end.
2) You say this is ok for people to do - even virtually?

Real fucken Jake the Muss stuff that... what a hero...

How exactly was he going to get his money back otherwise? Hookers are among the lowest forms of life, I just can't get worked up about a game that lets your slay them virtually.

I personally draw a distinction between movies (passive) and games where the involvement is active, and anyone with sadistic tendencies is going to have them rewarded by actually being able to do this shit. In grossly simple terms - I can see how this could easily make bad people worse.

Apparently pyschos have fed themselves on all sorts of stuff (movies, books, the internet), and progressively move upwards and onwards till they're 'daring' enough to try it for real. Every one of those mediums would have to be restrained in some way to have any real affect, because we know that antisocial behaviour has been around since long before GTA.

I can easily see how some novels could easily make bad people worse, but I'm not going to encourage censoring those either.

In the end, it's a game, and the majority can cope with that. The world will always have unstable people that can't cope with a game like this, or a 'bad' book, or music videos that are filled with young girls dressed like sluts, or any one of a number of things.