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[enigma51]

Kevin Schwantz is living proof of the adage "To finish first, first you must finish".

His living proof of win or bin





and also that second is the fastest looser

[lostinflyz]

yea everyone reckons schwantz was a rocket ship but he suffered the same issue as biaggi, and many others with the dreaded bin it or win it syndrome.

but to say he was the best only for a fleeting moment is a joke. ok so he wasn't the smartest about winning, but in raw speed he had oodles of it.

Rossi is a great racer, the complete package - speed, brains and flair. But to say has always been the fastest is a wee exageration. When he isn't the fastest he has other tricks, and its that which makes him a magician. for much of this year i would say he wasn't the quickest out there but he raced smart.

[Oscar]

His living proof of win or bin





and also that second is the fastest looser

Ahhh that brings back memories...


I was at the 1989 Aussie GP at Phillip Island as 250 pit crew and he threw it away right in front of where we were standing to watch the 500's. He was attempting to make a pass into turn one...

[svr]

... there is but one shit hot rider and that is kevin swantz you ask any of the racer of that era and they will all say that kevin is the fastest rider they have ever riden against

Rainey kicked Schwantz's arse all career long, and usually on inferior machinery, of course.

[Oscar]

Rainey kicked Schwantz's arse all career long, and usually on inferior machinery, of course.

Don't forget Lawson.
He was another guy who managed to win on two marques.
I watched him at Phillip Island once - arrived for qualifying in a Limo with blacked out windows, went straight to his motor home, got changed and walked straight to his pit with his helmet on. He did his qualifying laps, straight back to the motor home with his helmet still on, changed, hopped into the limo and left. He didn't appear to be enjoying his-self...

[RobRod]

Ummm, don't know what that's got to do with anything?? Are you a politician?

I quoted you verbatim saying "Rossi is king, long live the king. Stoner sucks.". I'm sorry but that is the most non-credible put-down of Stoner I've ever heard and I've heard some.
Some riders will be more talented than others in observer's opinions and they're entitled to their opinions - even if they're wrong, like Gaz, lol.
But to say that ANY one of those riders "sucks" is inane. Specially Stoner, who has been the ONLY one to date who has put the Ducati up there.

So I repeat: Not a very mature analysis and hard to take you seriously!

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

[Oscar]

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

Also there is the possibility that the bike is built to suit Stoner. Hayden complained long and loud that the latest version of Honda was built for Pedrosa and just didn't suit his riding style.

This of course opens the door to a discussion about the fact that the 800's suit the fast cornering style of the ex-125/250 (mainly Euro) riders and not the dirt track style of US/Aussie brigade of yore. That leads to a left-field theory about the new formula was designed by Dorna to suit the Latin riders (and how many races do they have in Spain & Italy?)....

[NZsarge]

Also there is the possibility that the bike is built to suit Stoner.

I don't think it's a possibility, it's a certainty.

[NZsarge]

There now - that didn't hurt, did it.

I've never said he was'nt a talented rider....

But I have said he is a boring personality particularly in comparison to others in the past... and present..

[Crasherfromwayback]

Don't forget Lawson.
He was another guy who managed to win on two marques.
...

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

[roogazza]

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

I think he took 4 500 titles didn't he Pete ? 3 for Yamaha and 1 for Honda (just to piss Gardner off) and just the one race win for Cagiva ??
I was a big fan of 'Steady Eddie' . Gaz.

[denill]

An interesting Poll On Nicky H:

[Oscar]

Three actually. Yamaha, Honda and Cagiva. Kawasaki in Super bikes if you count that = four!

I forgot about Cagiva.
I was talking about winning all the marbles, though.

[Oscar]

I think he took 4 500 titles didn't he Pete ? 3 for Yamaha and 1 for Honda (just to piss Gardner off) and just the one race win for Cagiva ??
I was a big fan of 'Steady Eddie' . Gaz.

ps Great day to be working !!! lol

I was at Phillip Island in 1989 and 1990 in a 250 pit.
If you watch the coverage carefully you can see me and Kev on the 500 grid, pre race.

Lawson, Gardner, Rainey, Sarron, Schwantz and Doohan.
Giants still strode the Earth in numbers...
These days we only seem to see a few great ones.

[denill]

So Troy Ballis's win and Capirossi's 2nd at Valencia in 2006 don't rate then

So on that basis you reckon that - "Stoner sucks"? Yeah, whatever.