Tyre warmers on buckets?

[dangerous]

The original idea of bucket racing was to get an old shitter,strip off everything not needed and away you go.I would love to get back into it but it appears to be going the way of all other motorsports.ie The more money you've got the better.It puts me off for one.

and that as we know it as bucket racing down here is long gone RIP

SWEET... I cant post my thoughts on the clubs forum http://visordown.co.nz/go/index.php cos as the BMRC pressie I shouldnt post my view... but her Im going to.

Warmers suck
FXR's suck
$9k CBRs suck
factory GP frames suck
Bucket racing is fast becoming a big suck, the reason I started in bucket racing is disapearing, sad but I will not race with warmers I will not race on a $9k bike.. ill move on to pro twins of F3 etc.
The fun is being removed, cant be helped, cant be stoped and in some ways evalution is nessary.. but above all the social aspects of bucket racing is fuked, its no longer about helping ya mate out its about $ and winning.

No sir... I dont like it

[Buddha#81:Me]

The next step up the ladder is usually streetstock, a controlled class where the advantage of faster/newer machines will no longer be available.

Look at where the current class champions are coming from guys.Most of them cut their teeth on buckets.

yeah this is kinda the point.......alot of the fast guys have brought their CBR's and gear back from the Aussie CBR series, f3, pro twins or from their 125 GP bikes, alot of guys are comming back to bucket for the practice, fun, track time.

[Buddha#81:Me]

Warmers suck
FRX's suck
$9k CBRs suck
factory GP frames suck
Bucket racing is fast becoming a big suck, the reason I started in bucket racing is disapearing, sad but I will not race with warmers I will not race on a $9k bike.. ill move on to pro twins of F3 etc.
The fun is being removed, cant be helped, cant be stoped and in some ways evalution is nessary.. but above all the social aspects of bucket racing is fuked, its no longer about helping ya mate out its about $ and winning.

No sir... I dont like it

Your the pressident of the club, we elected you to do the job..........you are the one guy who could fix it...............leave the fxr thing though.

[CookMySock]

http://www.megasquirt.info I had a master plan of getting a CB125t and fuel injecting the fucker. Imagine pulling into the pits at the slipway, plugging the laptop into the bucket and altering the fuel mapping...just because you can.

Yeah this is classic kiwi backyard hacker stuff. If it is starting to outgrow the oldskool buckets, then maybe a new class needs to be added ?

If I entered bucketing, I would dearly love to build my own frame and suspension. Double wishbone front and rear with gas over hydraulic plus adjustable shim-stack compression and rebound. Drool. But I would be shocked if I was made to feel unwelcome.

So why not just add anything-goes class ? (Still with the cc limits)

DB

[Skunk]

Yeah this is classic kiwi backyard hacker stuff. If it is starting to outgrow the oldskool buckets, then maybe a new class needs to be added ?

If I entered bucketing, I would dearly love to build my own frame and suspension. Double wishbone front and rear with gas over hydraulic plus adjustable shim-stack compression and rebound. Drool.

So why not just add anything-goes class ? (Still with the cc limits)

DB

And that my friend is where my thoughts are going. I like the Superbucket and Production sub classes they have in Christchurch. Maybe a Superlite class too?

Is it time to forget F5?

F4 rules only? Forget the 24mm carb rule for 125 two strokes?

[F5 Dave]

Is it time to forget F5? No soddin way!

We just need some more people to ride 50s. A little over a year ago we had about 6 50s, ok maybe 2 years, in Auckland there are more. At Kiatoki the top 3 bikes when raced all in were 50s. Anyone who complains about getting a kicking from a bike ½ or 1/3 the capacity should take a reality check.

So why do I ride a 50? Its fun, you are the underdog against bigger bikes & have to ride them to extract every last bit of power. On small tracks this is great fun. On longer tracks it is less difficult. I can see why Chch doesn’t have that many F5s.

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OK my take on GP frames as I have one (actually I built the first MB100 in RS I know of, just never got it going until a decade later as a 125.
Some have ribbed me about my million dollar bike (F5 50cc), I have kept fairly quiet about it as I don’t want everyone doing it.

My RG50 has been raced for 15 years, before that I had an MB50 for ~ 5 yrs. I’ve learnt a lot over that time. A few (3?) years ago I had a very fast but compromised handling RG50 (I screwed up the suspension/linkage). Jay got fast on the RG and with the tight tracks I just couldn’t follow him on some corners. I had to do something & that ended up being an RS frame. I’d ridden his bike & it is surprisingly easy to ride & actually grunts along pretty well if shy on top end. Whereas mine has only upper top end (no lower top end & certainly no midrange).

So, existing bike. RS Frame, SW & forks. $300 (had been stripped for people wanting engine, wheels brakes & spare bits). Convert RG wheels to fit, self, brakes, self, body work, self. Engine plates, self. Welding of frame $50 & some beer. Footpegs, self. Etc. It was cheaper to do this then remake the RG frame/suspension as old RS frames are worth squat.

Anyone who complains my bike is a million dollar effort can suck my medium sized fat one. A lot of buckets is & has always been being in the right place at the right time & building it yourself.

So where does this leave me on tyre warmers & programmable ignitions?

Well I guess I’m against tyre warmers because I’m never going to spend that money, but I guess that is really up to the group.
Ignitions, well again mega $ ones seem out of place. But if home built then I say YES. Why not.

Some people will always be prepared to spend more than the most. Some will want to spend virtually nothing. The reasonable ground is somewhere in between.

[k14]

Maybe just have another cup for pre90 (or something like that) engined buckets?

Hard call as to whether tyre warmers should be banned, i think that may be taking it a bit far. Its hard for me to denounce people that use them cause in the end they are just trying to win. If I had a bucket that was capable of winning and had a set of tyre warmers (like I do for my 125) then I'd probably put them on. It is racing afterall, if you are there to win you are going to do everything within the rules to do so. It isnt primary school with the dolphins and the pengins rugby teams, its real life. There are winners and loosers, sometimes those with a bit more money are able to gain advantages which others percieve as unfair. Best way to fix it is to ride harder, remember 80% rider, 20% bike.

[F5 Dave]

& 15% bragging rights

Something else to consider. Just yesterday someone was commenting that it can be real expensive to build a bucket. Depends how you do it.

But the reason the rules are to be based on road legal bikes is simple. Competition bikes would make everything else obsolete. One can go & buy off the internerd hop up kits for modern bikes like Aprillias etc, big bores, race kits etc.

This same person suggested we have a class for 80cc mx bike engine. Like the Morawaki bikes in Auss. Well maybe we could but this would rule out most cheapskate kiwis & wouldn’t suit most of our tracks (but would be a hoot at Ruapuna).

So drop an 80cc mx bike engine in some frame & woot! Keeping to 80cc would limit the bikes to pre 85cc as they have been for a while now.

The issue is this. No body wrecks MX80s for parts. Well actually all the owners wreck the bikes but that’s par for the course. The bike gets blown up & it’s hardly worth fixing a 5yr old kids bike. Under shed to rot. You would have to find a going bike, yet a going kids bike is still worth a bit. Then take it home & only the engine/ign/rad/carb would be of any use. Frame too small.

It would be pretty much shot so you’d be in for replate, powervalves (if they have them), piston & total crank rebuild. If you were lucky the little tike’s dad changed the gearbox oil, if not it got ridden through streams & run on water/oil so that will be shagged & the clutch basket will likely be sodded having been a MX bike ridden by a nasty teenager determined to break this old heap so dad will buy a new one.

Hmm that just got expensive. Pity.

If we allowed 85cc then people would just turn up with newer model until some clown buys a new one to strip for parts.


Ok so maybe a claiming rule with budget limit? Well half the people really enjoy the build part so you can’t put a price on the time taken.


The original bucket rules were fairly well drafted I think.

[Kickaha]

FRX's suck

FRXs? is that new bike thats coming out?

[k14]

FRXs? is that new bike thats coming out?

Yeah its a special production model from Ivans factory...

[Sully60]

FRXs? is that new bike thats coming out?

No wonder you're getting your arse kicked when you let 1340cc bikes out in buckets, duh!

[Kickaha]

So why not just add anything-goes class ? (Still with the cc limits)

DB

Thas pretty much what buckets is, there are no frame restriction you can build what you want

[dangerous]

Your the pressident of the club, we elected you to do the job

fuck off honky... you mungrels bullied me into it, i rocked up one day to race and every bastard was calling me Mr Pres

[Skunk]

i rocked up one day to race...

I guess that wasn't a wet day then...

[Kickaha]

and that as we know it as bucket racing down here is long gone RIP

Rubbish all classes evolve and change, 31 bikes on the grid says to me that buckets is very healthy in the South, the majority of the bikes racing are still old shitters and it's up to the guys running them to step up if they want to take it to the FXRs and CBRs

SWEET... I cant post my thoughts on the clubs forum http://visordown.co.nz/go/index.php cos as the BMRC pressie I shouldnt post my view...

Shouldn't post your veiw my arse, just because you are President doesn't mean you aren't allowed an opinion as long as you don't try and pass it off as "the clubs opinion"

Warmers suck

But they're legal

FXR's suck

But they're legal to

$9k CBRs suck

and so are they

factory GP frames suck

yes they are to

Bucket racing is fast becoming a big suck, the reason I started in bucket racing is disapearing

Which was what?

sad but I will not race with warmers

Neither will I, but it won't stop me trying to beat anyone who does

they're not the be all and end all that some people think, Bren gave the CBR crew a fairly good hiding in race one and one of the guys using them ended up on his arse

I will not race on a $9k bike..

The chances of their being more than a few of that value racing are very slim and if DC bought his bucket out he could clean them up anyway

The fun is being removed, cant be helped, cant be stoped and in some ways evalution is nessary.. but above all the social aspects of bucket racing is fuked, its no longer about helping ya mate out its about $ and winning.

No sir... I dont like it

Rubbish, the racing is what you make it, if you want to get all stressed about the CBRs and tyre warmers then yeah the fun will go out of it, if you just ignore that shit and get on with racing it wont be any different than it ever was

From what I saw on Sunday the social aspect and camaraderie is just as strong as ever and the reality is it's always been about winning and bikes have always been built with that in mind