Sue Bradford

[ElCoyote]

Roll on the election

[Pussy]

Too true... the woman(?) is a waste of space, with no concept of reality

[raftn]

Ummm........i am not sure if she is a women......but my kids know who she is....Fuckit!

[Chrislost]

so we can her?

[klingon]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that!

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Skyryder]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that!

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Spent a bit of time defending her on this site myself. You're not alone.


Skyryder

[ynot slow]

The bill was supposed to be a kids saviour,re taking the use of(reasonable) force defense out of the crime.Most people know the diff between smack and bash,some don't,they should not be breeding.Unfortunately we were told ordinary folks will not be arrested for giving a small slap at supermarkets etc,tui anyone.

[awayatc]

New zealand is getting devastated by a major Suenami, and it/she is getting defended?
Sue and Helen are doing a great job at destroying the fabric of what was once New Zealands society......

[Coyote]

Sue and Helen are doing a great job at destroying the fabric of what was once New Zealands society......

Though they're not the only ones responsible. The fact is many people, especially the Mother's Against Everything, are quite keen bringing in more bureaucratic jargon and P.C. claptrap.

Michael Laws' last article was quite good. A good point he made among others was that our society is quite happy to have harsh punishments for disobedient children, but when it's someone's own child they are totally against the thought of their innocent darling baby being punished and blame everything but the child and themselves for their child's behaviour. The laws coming in now are really to protect the arses of politicians that don't want to get harassed by these mother's and become liable for some shit for some stupid reason.

[MisterD]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that!

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

How can you not see that it is a completely ineffective waste of time in terms of preventing child abuse, whilst simultanously criminalising normal decent kiwi parents?

The bill is a good idea in the same league as micro-chipping dogs, history professors running the economy and members of parlianment unaccountable to any electorate.

[Skyryder]

How can you not see that it is a completely ineffective waste of time in terms of preventing child abuse, whilst simultanously criminalising normal decent kiwi parents?

The bill is a good idea in the same league as micro-chipping dogs, history professors running the economy and members of parlianment unaccountable to any electorate.

The bill 'was and can not' prevent child abuse any more than speed limits prevent speeding. Bradford's bill removes the 'defence' of resoanble force' becasue the public could not agree to what reasonable force is.

Most of New Zealand has moved on from this.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

The bill 'was and can not' prevent child abuse any more than speed limits prevent speeding. Bradford's bill removes the 'defence' of resoanble force' becasue the public could not agree to what reasonable force is.
Most of New Zealand has moved on from this.

Na. Because the do-gooder, milk-monitor bossy girls that we have running the show at the moment were unwilling to put the effort into defining reasonable force. (Like it's even difficult - open hand, doesn't leave a bruise).

"Most" of New Zealand will kick them out of government this year because of it and good f-ing riddance.

[smokeyging]

The very few spoil it for the many.
a friend of mine worked at ‘starship’ for years, just one of many cases was a boy was brought in one night, all he kept saying was ‘don’t hit me‘, my friend said that ‘you are in a hospital, we will not hurt you’, the injuries were so severe that the child did’nt survive. cases like this got too much for my friend , in the finish she eventually left . what do you do to get around a problem like this?

[Skyryder]

Na. Because the do-gooder, milk-monitor bossy girls that we have running the show at the moment were unwilling to put the effort into defining reasonable force. (Like it's even difficult - open hand, doesn't leave a bruise).

Pinched this off another KB thread.

So according to your defination this is reasonable force.

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=ssnurt6tso


Skyryder

[Boob Johnson]

The very few spoil it for the many.
a friend of mine worked at ‘starship’ for years, just one of many cases was a boy was brought in one night, all he kept saying was ‘don’t hit me‘, my friend said that ‘you are in a hospital, we will not hurt you’, the injuries were so severe that the child did’nt survive. cases like this got too much for my friend , in the finish she eventually left . what do you do to get around a problem like this?

Get involved in the communities it is happening, in the schools, educate the kids about how to deal with it, talk to ministers at churches & get some education happening at grass roots level, that kind of thing. Some laws are ambulance's at the bottom of hills or similarly they miss the boat.