About the only party I feel like going to...

[Mr. Peanut]

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/

Libertarianz is the first and only political party in New Zealand committed to the concept of a free society with a free market economy. We are committed to shrinking the power and influence of government in every area of our lives. We will put paid to bloated government bureaucracy and its authoritarian inclinations.

[oldrider]

http://www.libertarianz.org.nz/

Libertarianz is the first and only political party in New Zealand committed to the concept of a free society with a free market economy. We are committed to shrinking the power and influence of government in every area of our lives. We will put paid to bloated government bureaucracy and its authoritarian inclinations.

Me too.

Hey, I sound just like like John Key! John.

[Mr. Peanut]

I would be apathetic about the whole situation, but I just can't be bothered...

As a young, hard working kiwi, I really like what they're about, at the moment I feel like I'm trudging through a treacle of beauocracy every time I open my front door. We need a political enema...

[Gubb]

Have to disagree with you on that one. I feel that certain things need to be run by the government. Like it or not, Welfare, Healthcare, Education, Transportation services are essential parts of modern society.

I agree that the Bureaucracy can certainly be cut down from where it is now, but we can't have an entirely "User-Pays" system.

[Mr. Peanut]

Surely the number of bleeding hearts who wish to contribute to private, charity based help will not decrease, and will be more able to do so, as they're less dragged down by tax, and benefited from the better economy.

One look at the public health system should tell you it's not working anyway.

[Gubb]

What if you get involved in a Motorcycle accident, with no insurance, and you are unable to work as a result of the accident. Should you be left to your own devices to rot?

[jrandom]

One look at the public health system should tell you it's not working anyway.

ACC works really well. Presumably you're excluding that? I certainly wouldn't want to see it done away with.

I do agree a shift toward a culture where people take personal responsibility for their health via lifestyle improvements and paying for their own medical insurance would be a positive step.



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Ah, fuck all this careful publicity-friendly equivocation. Let's just agree that we all want a country in which I can pay sweet-fuck-all taxes and walk the streets smoking a fat doobie with a six-shooter on my hip.

Libertarianz for the win!

[Mr. Peanut]

What if you get involved in a Motorcycle accident, with no insurance, and you are unable to work as a result of the accident. Should you be left to your own devices to rot?

You get the best of health care, efficient, quick and professional. And a nice sum from your health insurance company.. You can afford that because you're not giving half of your money to the government.

And I didn't force you on to that motorcycle, if you're not prepared to take the consequences for your actions, yes you should.

[Gubb]

You get the best of health care, efficient, quick and professional. And a nice sum from your health insurance company.. You can afford that because you're not giving half of your money to the government.

And I didn't force you on to that motorcycle, if you're not prepared to take the consequences for your actions, yes you should.

So because I have all this extra money, I just went out and bought a Hayabusa that I can't ride. Which ended up in the aforementioned situation. No money for healthcare. I spent it all on the bike.

Or a couple has a mentally-challenged child. Giving that child a proper education costs many times more than what it does for an ordinary child due to teachers with special knowledge, and god-like patience. The parents are in low-paying jobs due to their own poor education, and this is exactly why they wanted their child to receive a proper education. I think it's a pretty awful society that lets people like this fall to the wayside.

If anything I personally wouldn't mind paying a little more in tax if I knew that it would solve some of the serious issues that our country faces.

[jrandom]

I personally wouldn't mind paying a little more in tax if I knew that it would solve some of the serious issues that our country faces.

Shut up. I want my six-shooter and my doobie.

Fuck the serious issues.

[Gubb]

You can have the doobie, but leave the gun at home.

[jrandom]

You can have the doobie, but leave the gun at home.

OK, I'm prepared to compromise on that, so long as I can keep all of my six-figure salary without having to look at any starving and dying brown people, mm kay?

Cos I'm sure some other bugger's going to be charitable to them. Isn't there always some other bugger being charitable?

Edit: Hang on, no, I'm gonna need that six-shooter for when the starving and dying brown people escape the Reservation and head to the North Shore. No compromises, thank you; my policies are intertwined.

[Mr. Peanut]

So because I have all this extra money, I just went out and bought a Hayabusa that I can't ride. Which ended up in the aforementioned situation. No money for healthcare. I spent it all on the bike.

Or a couple has a mentally-challenged child. Giving that child a proper education costs many times more than what it does for an ordinary child due to teachers with special knowledge, and god-like patience. The parents are in low-paying jobs due to their own poor education, and this is exactly why they wanted their child to receive a proper education. I think it's a pretty awful society that lets people like this fall to the wayside.

If anything I personally wouldn't mind paying a little more in tax if I knew that it would solve some of the serious issues that our country faces.

Is self sufficiency such a scary concept? Under such a system, you'd be insane to buy a Hayabusa you can't handle, and then ride it without insuring your health...

Are you saying it's better to have a system where we go ahead and hurt ourselves, knowing we're covered by the nanny state?

Who provided the parents with such poor education? The government! Its unfortunate they're in poor paying jobs, but who forced them to neglect their education? Perhaps they expected the government to look after them when they partied instead of studying.

A close knit community, of people who have learned to look after themselves and those around them should better care for the needs of a special child than any under-funded state institution..

[jrandom]

Who provided the parents with such poor education? The government! Its unfortunate they're in poor paying jobs, but who forced them to neglect their education? Perhaps they expected the government to look after them when they partied instead of studying.

A close knit community, of people who have learned to look after themselves and those around them should better care for the needs of a special child than any under-funded state institution..

You're being a bit of a pussy, y'know, proposing that we just let the losers die off slowly.

Turn on the showers and fire the ovens, I say!

[Mr. Peanut]

If you think the average Kiwi would tolerate those in unfortunate situations rotting away, then it doesn't matter what government we have, we're doomed. I've never hesitated to help those in need when and where I can. But when I'm working 3 out of 12 months for the government, it can be hard to find the time.