Bleeding heart liberals

[Jamezo]

now, I love a good killin' as much as the next guy, and pedophiles are right at the top of the list.

the problem is, it is nigh on impossible to apply the death penalty in a way that is less expensive than coddling them in prison for life, without having a ridiculously high number of 'false positives' (it makes me shudder to even type that)

the US death penalty is incredibly expensive to the country, results in the tragic numbers of said 'false positives', and serves little useful purpose to the community.

those on death row waste huge amounts of money making frivulous appeals, and not unfrequently get away on idiotic technicalities, while those without the cash get railroaded through the sytem and sent to an early and too frequently unjustified grave.

the only objective of the US death penalty is to appease those who feel SOMEBODY has to PAY!!!, while ignoring that it has a large net detrimental effect on society.

like CSL, I feel that crime is a social problem first, and a individual problem second. punishing individuals demonstratably does not lead to lowering total crime, and the social cost is high.

however, I believe this largely applies only to crimes of 'necessity' (shuddering from the conservatives...:P), thefts, carjackings etc; not the tradgedies that usually result in death sentences (murder, rape, etc) and I am in favour of death for recidivist perpetrators of these offences, if they are proved beyond doubt (2 strikes and you are out, matey. side note: california 3-strikes laws, that's just wrong. steal 3 loaves of bread and they put you away for life. no parole. yeah...), purely for reasons of economic expediency. locking them away would cost us money that could be running hospitals or what have you. no fancy lethal injections, just a cheap 9mm round to the back of the head.

[sels1]

There are civilised ways to deal with repeat offenders, preventitive detention for onewell this is ridiculous in the case of an intellectually disabled recidivist sex offender isn't it?, or any sex offender for that matter, 24/7 supervision for the entire life of the person, is probably more cruel than castration

How can it be ridiculous - are you saying scrap all mental hospitals? there are many institutions here and overseas that have patients who will live out their lives inside. Killing them is not a new idea - Hitler's Nazis practiced it.

Interestingly many people are calling for life sentences to mean life

and with regard to the quotes mentioned well I don't think that either of the famous people who made those statements were referring to the worst of people ( serious criminals) when they made those statements,

Sorry - the fact is Gandi was a strict follower of the principle of Ahimsa = Non- Violence- he wouldnt even kill (or eat) animals let alone humans. He wrote books on the subject - they are worth reading
Edison the same. The next line of that quote is "Until we stop harming ALL other living beings, we are still savages"

here's one for ya
"evil prevails when good men do NOTHING", can't remember who said that

The phrase is attributed to English philosopher Edmund Burke
(is that why I'm back in this bloody thread??? )

but bending over indefinately backwards to help people who, for whatever sick reason destroy the lives of others is not the direction our country or any other country should be heading.

Dont have to bend over backwards - a fair trail and a fair sentence is whats required - without killing anyone(that"s the ultimate in abuse)

Help should be directed to the victims of crime, who are far more needy and deserving of resources than the perpertrators of the crime.

Yes, the victims certainly dont get enough we can definetly improve in that area. And the perpetrators? well, perhaps a read of the book Celtic Sea Lily recommended could be a place to start

[MSTRS:Me]

well, perhaps a read of the book Celtic Sea Lily recommended could be a place to start

Ehhh - wrong - Neanderthals can't read. Kill em all and move on

[Lou Girardin]

It's a very basic human right to be brought before your accuser quickly. For many reasons, not least that as memory fades, the chance of a fair trial also fades.
As for those calling for the death penalty, I wonder how many have seen violent death up close. Let alone killing someone. Talk is cheap.

[F5 Dave]

one word.

confessed

[scumdog]

It's a very basic human right to be brought before your accuser quickly. For many reasons, not least that as memory fades, the chance of a fair trial also fades.
As for those calling for the death penalty, I wonder how many have seen violent death up close. Let alone killing someone. Talk is cheap.

As per F5DAVE comment above, if they confessed and all the evidence backed it up I would quite cheerfully whack a bullet into their head - and from my experience to "violent death close up" a .22 sideways through the head would leave a tidy corpse should anybody want to view it.
Yup, talk IS cheap but it never got rid of an unstable violent killer either.

[MSTRS:Me]

As for those calling for the death penalty, I wonder how many have seen violent death up close. Let alone killing someone. Talk is cheap.

Talk is cheap & that's all we're doing here. But death needn't be violent (as satisfying as that might be where some of the scum are concerned). After all, thousands of pets are humanely 'put to sleep' every year - their crime merely to be unwanted. Fair & Just are relative terms

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh and by the way Scumdog, who said you could be the one to pull the trigger??? I WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT DOES IT.

[scumdog]

Oh and by the way Scumdog, who said you could be the one to pull the trigger??? I WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT DOES IT.

Oh all right! If you're going to shout I'll let you do it, I'd probably have something more important to do anyway - like mowing the lawns!!

[Mongoose]

Oh all right! If you're going to shout I'll let you do it, I'd probably have something more important to do anyway - like mowing the lawns!!

In this weather, you would be better off going to a good shooting,at least it will be warm and dry, the lawns will not be mowed today!!

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh all right! If you're going to shout I'll let you do it, I'd probably have something more important to do anyway - like mowing the lawns!!

Ahhhhh, my mother WAS wrong. Standover tactics WILL get you what you want. Forget the lawns tho, you get a front row seat to enjoy the show. Bring your knitting if you like.

[sels1]

I would quite cheerfully whack a bullet into their head .

Which of course puts you in the same catagory as the people you would like to do away with - you think about killing someone you dislike, you want to kill someone you dislike, you just havent actually done it (yet?)

talk IS cheap but it never got rid of an unstable violent killer either.

So you propose a stable violent killer to get rid of an unstable violent killer?
How does that reduce violence in society?
If you are not part of the soluton you are part of the problem

[MSTRS:Me]

Which of course puts you in the same catagory as the people you would like to do away with - you think about killing someone you dislike, you want to kill someone you dislike, you just havent actually done it (yet?)

Doesn't matter whether you like them or not, it's what 'they' do that is the problem. Don't knock the man for wanting to help create a safer society. You one of those that hides their killer dog from the needle??

[marty]

It's a very basic human right to be brought before your accuser quickly. For many reasons, not least that as memory fades, the chance of a fair trial also fades.
As for those calling for the death penalty, I wonder how many have seen violent death up close. Let alone killing someone. Talk is cheap.

it's also a basic human right for the victim to be vindicated at the earliest opportunity. do a comparison between the BOR Act and the Victim of Offences Act. the differences are obvious - there is no money to be made in supporting victims. i've seen it too often - the lawyer gets remand after remand, usually because they are 'busy' or 'double booked' and then calls for abuse of process. the victim is sick one day and can't come to court - the prosecution can't offer any evidence, and it gets thrown out.

and i've seen my share of violent death lou - in fact i've probably seen your share as well. i'm not a supporter of the death penalty, but i do think that violent offenders should be incarcerated with basic facilities, and made to remember their victims every day for the rest of their life. i don't care if it makes them go mad.

[Lou Girardin]

As per F5DAVE comment above, if they confessed and all the evidence backed it up I would quite cheerfully whack a bullet into their head - and from my experience to "violent death close up" a .22 sideways through the head would leave a tidy corpse should anybody want to view it.
Yup, talk IS cheap but it never got rid of an unstable violent killer either.

Recently a confessed murderer was vindicated and released when the actual killer of his girlfriend was caught. There was no other evidence of his guilt apart from his confession, which consisted of "I was drunk. I don't remember killing her, but I must have done it."
Luckily for him, some of the members here don't make Government policy.