Auckland police too busy?

[Toaster]

Also remember the detectives - they have numerous cases before them, heavy workloads often made worse by false complaints and lengthy trials and they prioritise their cases based on all sorts of factors. Remember the media fail to report that point - only what sells papers and sensationalises things.

[Robbo]

Excellent post Toaster. We should be venting our anger at the Criminals and Arseholes who are actually doing these deeds and not at the people who are doing their best to protect us under usually difficult situations that i am sure most of us would'nt ever want to take on.
As for the speed limits, yes, there has to be a figure set to work to. You will usually find that a little discretion is given in most cases and if you get caught and booked occassionally it is because you crossed that line and just think about the many times that you have done this and got away with it. Law of averages i guess.
With the ever increasing crime rates we need more police numbers to deal with this. Government has always promised us this prior to elections but once in power they don't seem to give a toss. I guess the daily crime does'nt personally affect politicians who live in an upmarket and secure enviornment paid for by us suckers so why should they care.
Any Party who actually addresses Law and Order in this country will get my vote, but i'm not holding my breath.

[devnull]

Good post Toaster...

While most of the cops on the street really are trying to do a good job, they appear to be hamstrung by govt policies and their own hierarchy. Who remembers Doonegate? Politicians meddling with police structure at its worst.

What's happening now is that people are losing faith with the police.
Instead, the message seems to be that if you want justice, you'll extract it yourself.

To be fair, that's not entirely the fault of police. Our justice system has become so perverted that it favours criminals over victims.

I found this article quite good:
http://www.nzcpr.com/guest95.htm

Until we see a return to traditional policing, where the police and the community work together, it seems that vigilantism is the best option.
As the bloke that shot at those little scumbags proved, you shouldn't shoot to stop their vehicle... Aim higher, and give some thought to disposing of the bodies...

Otherwise you'll be the one in court, instead of the offenders

[Kiwifire72]

this is fire kiwis wife replying .....................
Go wk for the police an then you will find out how busy they are..............
An if you did get rego of the plate did you follow it up at the station?
If so then they will be dealing with the incident.

[The Pastor]

A fair chunk of the police you see in the yellow and blue cars are there because their role and equipment is funded for traffic duties only. Don't forget the MOT was rolled into the police in the early 1990's - purely a traffic role. At least the traffic staff can and do get used for GDB back up when needed... something we did not have when the MOT existed.

If that huge part of the overall police budget was removed then you'd be back down to the GDB response staff only - you'd never see them because they are busy with domestics, arguments, fights, disorder, robberies, burglaries, disputes, thefts, idiots, twats, morons, nutters, suicides, complaints, whingers and sudden death investigations etc etc etc - its a busy and thankless role many of you seem to forget.

Traffic offenders are not "criminals" and the offenses commited (like speeding)do not fall under either the Summary Offences Act or the Crimes Act.

If you don't want a traffic offence against your name then slow down and give the cops more justification to argue with the government to allow more resources be allocated into CIB and general duties policing.

For those that feel cops should not ticket speeders at 11km/h over the limit, then when should they ticket them? Why have a speed limit then if it won't be enforced? There has to be a limit somewhere and you can't leave it to individual discretion - how would we as riders then know what each individual cop would consider reasonable? Some will do you for 20+ and other rather zealous cops will do you for 5+.

cruiser riders tells us to slow down...... i think its just jelousy of our bikes going faster than a walking pace!

[SixPackBack]

Also remember the detectives - they have numerous cases before them, heavy workloads often made worse by false complaints and lengthy trials and they prioritise their cases based on all sorts of factors. Remember the media fail to report that point - only what sells papers and sensationalises things.

Oh please STOP!........really my heart bleeds custard for our poor underresourced police force-NOT!
Perhaps the media should not have reported the cartwright report or the dodgy 'baton coppers' as well, perhaps also after some appalling police work on the recent Kahui trial we should also make excuses or perhaps even change the law? I call bullshit.
The public perception of the police is real. Should an individual have a minor traffic incident or have their house broken into the tepid response from the force does not match the Nazi like attitude to minimal speeding.
'Tis up to the police to change their culture and to realign behaviour with public expectations.

[Sanx]

If you don't want a traffic offence against your name then slow down and give the cops more justification to argue with the government to allow more resources be allocated into CIB and general duties policing.

Perhaps a far better argument to redirect resources into general policing and away from traffic would be that the heavier enforcement witnessed over the last few years, together with a lowering of the average open road and urban speed has resulted in a higher road toll and massively increased injury figures (and therefore ACC claims). If Police management had an ounce of common sense and decency, they would be arguing this themselves, rather than continuing to support the revenue-generation policies of Labour.

After all, what is the principal role of the traffic police? To maximise road safety or generate as much revenue as possible?

There's additional arguments as well:

1. If the Police concentrated on general policing and not traffic, and introduced guidelines to the remaining traffic officers (in words of one syllable, obviously, to cope with the officers hired under the jobs-for-the-terminally-stupid equal opportunities policy) instructing them to concentrate on bad driving, rather than speeding, the general public might begin to trust them again.
2. Once trust begins to get re-established, the Police would reap the benefits of increased public co-operation on matters that do have some importance.
3. With increased public co-operation, the Police would be more effective in targetting real crime: gangs, drug production, etc.

None of this is rocket science. However, the mad mullahs in charge of the Police, like that wet gimp Howard Broad, think only of pleasing their political masters, rather than actually trying to work for the benefit of the citizens of New Zealand. They're lackeys, pure and simple.

[Toaster]

'Tis up to the police to change their culture and to realign behaviour with public expectations.

I sure hope not considering some public opinion is clearly retarded, uneducated, mere one-eyed bitterness because they got a speeding ticket for their own stupidity.

The Kahui trial was as good as they could get with the very limited evidence they had. Evidence doesn't magically appear if it simply doesn't exist. Or being the expert armchair lawyer you'd know better right?

What they had was not enough to avoid reasonable doubt and hence the finding of Kahui having to be given a finding not guilty.

[Toaster]

Excellent post Toaster. We should be venting our anger at the Criminals and Arseholes who are actually doing these deeds and not at the people who are doing their best to protect us under usually difficult situations that i am sure most of us would'nt ever want to take on.

Well said Robbo. Interesting how its often the same criminals and families before the police and the courts... costing us taxpayers over and over again.

Same with prolific traffic law offenders.... like those alcoholics caught drink driving many many times or those who continually lose their licence for demerits and yet they keep doing it regardless of permanent disqualification - they just don't care or learn.

[SixPackBack]

I sure hope not considering some public opinion is clearly retarded, uneducated, mere one-eyed bitterness because they got a speeding ticket for their own stupidity.

...........And as long as the police hold opinions such as your own the public will continue to dislike them and the police will continue to wonder why.
And Toaster it sounds like you're taking my post a little personally, if you think 'my one-eyed bitterness'[as you call my observations] comes from a speeding ticket it is you who is stupid. As previously stated public opinion has been badly damaged by:

• The cartwright report-confirming the police believe they can behave how they like when not on duty.
• The louise Nichols case-an assistant commissioner of police behaving if not illegally certainly immorally. What made this worse was government knowledge of the accusations.
• The Kahui case-with the resources of the crown its hard to understand how the police could have made so many mistakes, once they dropped the ball calls for law changes went out.
• A belligerent, attitude to speeding-perhaps the only time the general public will see the police is when getting pulled over for minimal speeding, IF only the public had the same prompt service when criminals break into their house/car.
• Arrogant attitudes to public feedback-the public are 'morons/stupid/fuck-wits etc. The public are in fact the police's masters, without their support the country would quickly slip into anarchy.

[Sanx]

I sure hope not considering some public opinion is clearly retarded, uneducated, mere one-eyed bitterness because they got a speeding ticket for their own stupidity.

And public opinion and co-operation is essential for the Police to do their jobs properly. The cops might not like it, but that's how it is.

The Kahui trial was as good as they could get with the very limited evidence they had. Evidence doesn't magically appear if it simply doesn't exist. Or being the expert armchair lawyer you'd know better right?

BULLSHIT! First off, the Police didn't interview anyone for a few days in order to be culturally-sensitive and allow the family time to grieve. Then the family began stonewalling. Instead of arresting the whole f'ing lot of them on suspiscion, the cops sat on their arses and wrung their hands about how the family weren't co-operating. They didn't formally interview the mother for 4.5 months! The handling of this case by the Police seemed to be one fuck-up after another.

Given the pitiful evidence finally collected by the cops - if they'd gone looking a bit earlier and pushed the suspects harder, they might have got something - it's hardly surprising the prosecution didn't get a conviction. But the blame for the almighty screw-ups lies with the Police themselves for treating the family with kid gloves, rather than going in hard and fast.

[Swoop]

(injured in the line of duty perhaps?)

Choking on a donut?

What's happening now is that people are losing faith with the police.

Aim higher, and give some thought to disposing of the bodies...

Lost faith.
There are plenty of places in the Urewera's suitable for shallow graves.
Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six (as the saying goes).

But the blame for the almighty screw-ups lies with the Police themselves for treating the family with kid gloves, rather than going in hard and fast.

The suggested immediate solution to police prosecution failures, is... "let's remove the citizen's right to silence!!"
Great idea... Not!

[oldrider]

If that ever happens to my grandkids and I catch the guy, I suspect there will thousands of police there within seconds! John.

[Indoo]

And public opinion and co-operation is essential for the Police to do their jobs properly. The cops might not like it, but that's how it is.

Yep, thats fair enough when Public opinion is based on at least a bare recognition of the facts and on a semblance of reality rather than just 'if I was a cop I would have arrested them all on (insert some made up law which you think should exist but actually doesn't here).

Instead of arresting the whole f'ing lot of them on suspiscion, the cops sat on their arses and wrung their hands about how the family weren't co-operating.

I'm not sure if your mentally deranged, drunk or just a retard. You can't arrest people in this country for suspicion (and of what?), and to suggest that the 30 odd cops on the murder team were just playing the situation because they would rather moan to the pro police media in this country is just beyond ridiculous (although keeping with the retard tone)

They didn't formally interview the mother for 4.5 months! The handling of this case by the Police seemed to be one fuck-up after another

Tell me how you would do it differently, I guess you already have, if you were in charge of the inquiry you would invent laws, elect yourself pm and enact some laws with the backing of your caucus (whom you have also imagined) and pass said laws..

Its so simple really when you think about it, kinda like you and a proportion of other posters in this thread who have no clue and haven't the balls or inclination to ever have one.

[Maki]

The Kahui case was so badly handled that whoever wasted tax payer money investigating that should no longer have a job. That person or persons are a waste of space.

I read this:
http://www.nzcpr.com/guest95.htm

"A comparison between New Zealand and the US is sobering. The latest available violent crime statistics for New Zealand (pop 4 million) show a standardised rate of 1322 violent offences per100,000 population. The FBI violent crime figures for the U.S (Pop 300 million) work out at 466 violent offences per 100,000 population. In other words, New Zealand is presently 2.8 times more violent than the US."

I didn't realize how bad things are. It lowers my already poor opinion of the current government and the police. The government have done all they can to sweep this under the carpet instead of doing something about it.

I guess the answer is to mete out your own justice. If you or yours are offended against don't call the police. Call the mongrel mob. You may have to pay them a little something but in return they will take care of business.