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[Robert Taylor]

Theres a saying in moto-x that you can have too much power but you can never have suspension that is too good.
Now please no more questions for or baiting of RT so he can finish my shock. Ta.

Its finished and being sent on Monday!

[Pussy]

Theres a saying in moto-x that you can have too much power but you can never have suspension that is too good.

I reckon that's a good saying full stop

[Drew]

Theres a saying in moto-x that you can have too much power but you can never have suspension that is too good.

There is suspension that is overly technical though. I'm not dis-agreeing with you, just want to point out that the advice from the right people, is the best way to go.

[Pussy]

That's a fair comment, Drew, but it is not possible to adjust out built in deficencies in a lot of stock suspension, it's a valving thing

[Drew]

That's a fair comment, Drew, but it is not possible to adjust out built in deficencies in a lot of stock suspension, it's a valving thing

I wasn't reffering to stock equipment, have a word with RT about wether to bother with high/low speed damping.

Even as shite as stock shocks are, Yamaha should have flagged the bollucks low speed comp damper and used the coin to get ohlins to produce something for them. ESPECIALLY if the rumor is true that Yamaha have a large chunk of interest in Ohlins itself.

[Pussy]

Yeah I reckon a lot of that stock high speed/low speed stuff is put on them for marketing more so than function

[cowpoos]

ESPECIALLY if the rumor is true that Yamaha have a large chunk of interest in Ohlins itself.

Well it wasn't a rumour...they did own a considerable chuck of ohlins for ages...but this year Ohlins brought it self back.

[Robert Taylor]

Well it wasn't a rumour...they did own a considerable chuck of ohlins for ages...but this year Ohlins brought it self back.

It was about 95% Yamaha Motor Co and 5% Kenth Ohlin, now the position is almost exactly reversed.

[Robert Taylor]

I wasn't reffering to stock equipment, have a word with RT about wether to bother with high/low speed damping.

Even as shite as stock shocks are, Yamaha should have flagged the bollucks low speed comp damper and used the coin to get ohlins to produce something for them. ESPECIALLY if the rumor is true that Yamaha have a large chunk of interest in Ohlins itself.

If you go dredging through my previous posts on whatever threads ( god knows where ) you will find some explanation of why shocks that rely on shaft displacement to build damping in fact then have too much damping to be responive to square edge bumps. Then requiring what is essentially a dump valve. Shocks that rely a whole lot less on shaft displacement ( eg TTX ) have a lot weaker damping because ( oversimplistically ) they are damping much closer to real time and then dont require a stronger force to ''catch the runaway horse as it bolts from the stable door'' That then means they have a whole lot less need for a''high speed dump valve'' further up the scale and all the attendant confusion for tuners. Believe me, such confusion also occurs at MotoGP level.

[JD Racing]

I did hear from someone who had been in the Isle of Man for the TT that all those riders who could were swapping over to PRX shocks. the TTX shocks were proving to be way too harsh for the roads.

[Robert Taylor]

I did hear from someone who had been in the Isle of Man for the TT that all those riders who could were swapping over to PRX shocks. the TTX shocks were proving to be way too harsh for the roads.

I would suggest then that either the level of service is lacking or that the rumour mill is getting away with itself. 2 ''occurences'' can suddenly be 20 in peoples minds etc. Here in NZ we have lots of rough roads and tracks and the feedback has been very very positive, backed up by a high degree of service to ensure that each shock is individually set up for each rider. As you well know such a level of backup is a little wanting in many parts of the world.

[JD Racing]

From what I can gather the service was provided by K-Tech who I'm told provide an excellant level of service, they couldn't get the TTX to work at the Northwest 200 nor the TT hence the PRX were fitted and their handling woes eased. Interestingly Anstey's Relentless team, McGuiness's Honda and Martins Honda team all use Showa.
I suppose in real life then the TTX would be ok, there is no way any of us push their bikes as hard as those guys.

[Robert Taylor]

From what I can gather the service was provided by K-Tech who I'm told provide an excellant level of service, they couldn't get the TTX to work at the Northwest 200 nor the TT hence the PRX were fitted and their handling woes eased. Interestingly Anstey's Relentless team, McGuiness's Honda and Martins Honda team all use Showa.
I suppose in real life then the TTX would be ok, there is no way any of us push their bikes as hard as those guys.

I cannot answer for what those ''circuits'' are like but we do have bumpy circuits and many bumpy roads here and have totally happy TTX customers, many of them previous users of PRXS type. Never had any request to go back to that type. Given that the setting bank for TTX gives a very wide variety of alternate settings one can only surmise that K-Tech were not embracing its use or were too preoccupied with a whole host of suspension issues over several brands. Its a case of either ''picking the eyes'' out of everything or being specialised and focused, at the end of the day that makes a huge difference.
Also of course it is no surprise that predominantly Hondas will use works Showa parts over there, given that Honda has a major financial stake in Showa. Interestingly a couple of those shocks appeared here a few years back, they came to me to ask to change the springs as there was no Showa backup anywhere to be found. They couldnt get them to work as well as they should and reverted back the following year to a product with backup.

[Pussy]

I did hear from someone who had been in the Isle of Man for the TT that all those riders who could were swapping over to PRX shocks. the TTX shocks were proving to be way too harsh for the roads.

Hey JD... never in a million years would I be giving a shock a work-out like the TT racers, but from my experience as a road rider who has recently retro fitted a new TTX shock to replace the 46PRX Ohlins... I have found the difference in compliance to be like night and day, in the TTX's favour. So far, the only setting I have changed from out of the box is the preload on the spring, and I'm bloody delighted with it!
I do stress, however, that I am no racer or expert rider, I am though an enthusiast road rider with many years experience under my belt. My .02c worth