Disbelief at what I heard

[jrandom]

I would like to stipulate at this point that I know everything, and that everybody else is an idiot.

Assuming you can all agree on that, I figure we can settle these questions without further ado.

[Coyote]

One fine day on my bicycle, a friend of mine decided to ram me off of it with his bike. I hit the ground face first. One of my buck teeth is now chipped in half. Whenever I drink something cold, it hurts. And I can't bite into things since the cap is only 30% as strong as a normal tooth. If I get a proper one it'll most likely cost several grand.

I was a 11 year old on a BMX so I couldn't have been travelling fast.

[NordieBoy]

I was a 11 year old on a BMX so I couldn't have been travelling fast.

The amount of times we arsed off our bikes as kids you'd wonder how we're still alive.

Pulling 35kph (new speedo ) down a sand road and jamming on the front brakes to see what would happen

[ital916]

The point of the post was to raise discussion about how the club and people go about discussing the certain aspects of the motorcycling culture whilst trying to introduce new people to the hobby. I was advocating that given the realities of biking, which is that it is a dangerous hobby, the customer should make their own decision. The reason I was annoyed was this wasn't given discussion but more a "you shouldn't wear open face helmets because you WILL DIE" approach by some people. I'm an advocate of safety when it comes to motorcycling but will draw the line and once informed let the customer make up their own mind instead of barreling in and making accusations about products that I have neither tested nor know much about. Two classic quotes thrown at me were "it doesn't matter that you work at a motorcycling store dushy, you probably don't know much about the products you sell" - Yeah right, have a think about that one mate. And when jesting back at someone who poked fun at my crashes that they were riding out of the conditions *who currently wears a cast....piratejafa this is you!*, was told "mate I was going at a hundred in a hundred zone", Haha mate, most of the open road is a hundred zone, you still get corners that you can't take at a hundred kilometers per hour. This raised the question that maybe we as a club should start reasoning sensibly when trying to open up the joys of the two wheeled world to new people. This is not a bashful thread, but one encouraging discussion from the club, a serious discussion for once.

[BANZAI]

The point of the post was to raise discussion about how the club and people go about discussing the certain aspects of the motorcycling culture whilst trying to introduce new people to the hobby.
I was advocating that given the realities of biking, which is that it is a dangerous hobby, the customer should make their own decision.

The reason I was annoyed was this wasn't given discussion but more a "you shouldn't wear open face helmets because you WILL DIE" approach by some people.

I'm an advocate of safety when it comes to motorcycling but will draw the line and once informed let the customer make up their own mind instead of barreling in and making accusations about products that I have neither tested nor know much about.

Two classic quotes thrown at me were "it doesn't matter that you work at a motorcycling store dushy, you probably don't know much about the products you sell" - Yeah right, have a think about that one mate.

And when jesting back at someone who poked fun at my crashes that they were riding out of the conditions *who currently wears a cast....piratejafa this is you!*, was told "mate I was going at a hundred in a hundred zone", Haha mate, most of the open road is a hundred zone, you still get corners that you can't take at a hundred kilometers per hour.

This raised the question that maybe we as a club should start reasoning sensibly when trying to open up the joys of the two wheeled world to new people.

This is not a bashful thread, but one encouraging discussion from the club, a serious discussion for once.

Sorry Dushy, I had to do this... Had to do this

[RDJ]

Yer faggots the bane of destruction of the pillars of common sense.....really disgusts me...

God gave me free will. Who are you to take it away?

I think they think they're God...

[Ragingrob]

As far as I know, a couple of people expressed their opinions in that open-faced helmets are dangerous and unsafe, these may or may not be the general opinion of the club as a whole. You have expressed your opinion that people should be able to make their own choice. Those are two opinions that the individuals are entitled to.

I would rather newcomers to the club/biking know extremist opinions in terms of safety in order for them to then make their own mind up, otherwise what do they have to go on??

In terms of open-faced helmets, I don't think that I would need to test one or search for more information in order to come to the conclusion that common sense brings me to, the fact that of course they are not going to protect you much (if at all?!?!) if you bin face first. Which is more common than maybe the average person would think. Still... Some kinda helmet is better than nothing, and maybe even better than wearing an already binned helmet? So that's my opinion, and I would gladly try and steer someone away from buying an open-faced helmet.

PS : Some people think that perhaps the sexist jokes and attitudes of some in the club would contribute a great deal more to girls being put off than being told that an open-faced helmet is dangerous.

[PirateJafa]

*remark at me*

Hey Dushy, if you weren't so busy taking umbrage at the time you would have noticed I was joking when I made that remark. I was indeed going too fast for the conditions that time, as I have readily pointed out myself a number of times. Just as you have done the same. Your point is what exactly? Mmmmm?

More valid however was my argument when I pointed out that had I been wearing a open-face helmet when I crashed, I would be severely fucked up at the moment, as opposed to slightly fucked up.

Oh and I was even wearing jeans, and grazed my knee because of that. Oh woe is meee!

I would far rather be wearing a fullface + jeans than openface + cordura pants. Scarring to the legs is far better than scarring to the face. Of course that is only my opinion, but I will readily give that opinion to anyone who asks my advice. Other people may have different opinions, and that is all well and good. But they're wrong.

[Hanne]

Other people may have different opinions, and that is all well and good. But they're wrong.

That seems to summarise the sentiment this whole thread is based on!

[ital916]

So that's my opinion, and I would gladly try and steer someone away from buying an open-faced helmet.

PS : Some people think that perhaps the sexist jokes and attitudes of some in the club would contribute a great deal more to girls being put off than being told that an open-faced helmet is dangerous.

Because wearing an open face helmet is like wearing a paper airplane on your head. A few open face helmets are bad, but the brands that produce them are of lower quality too, I will happily state that to someone, but not try and steer them they can steer themselves. I will give opinions, but not force them. God gave us free will, let people use it. Some open face helmets are bloody fantastic, they have better protection than some full face helmets in the SAME AREAS THAT ARE COVERED. They are just without the chin guard. If your logic applies, 200mph bikes will MAKE YOU DIE. haha

[Squiggles]

I would suggest that this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion of "the image the club wishes to portray", and that it should infact be discussed at say, the friday night chiller, or the agm if one is called.
A forum thread does little but create a bunch of arguments and misunderstandings, a serious discussion takes place in person.

[ital916]

That seems to summarise the sentiment this whole thread is based on!

I'll talk on this thread more tomorrow at the chiller. Your opinion was stop stirring shit up to me, when I was the one being stirred up haha.

[Ragingrob]

1)Because wearing an open face helmet is like wearing a paper airplane on your head. 2)A few open face helmets are bad, but the brands that produce them are of lower quality too, I will happily state that to someone, but not try and steer them they can steer themselves.3) I will give opinions, but not force them. God gave us free will, let people use it.4) Some open face helmets are bloody fantastic, they have better protection than some full face helmets in the SAME AREAS THAT ARE COVERED. 5)They are just without the chin guard. 6)If your logic applies, 200mph bikes will MAKE YOU DIE. haha

1) I dont get the paper airplane thing?
2) I'm not saying the helmets are bad, merely that they don't protect your face, and I like my face.
3) This thread is about you trying to force others to reserve their opinions.
4) Of course they could have the same protection where they protect, who here has disputed that?! That's not what we care about, again I like my face.
5) Exactly.
6) I said open-faced helmets are dangerous, and yes, 200mph bikes are dangerous. That was the logic I applied.

[Squiggles]

I'll talk on this thread more tomorrow at the chiller. Your opinion was stop stirring shit up to me, when I was the one being stirred up haha.

*Steps out of role as president*

You will talk about this? or tell us?

*Steps back into role*

[ital916]

I would suggest that this is not the appropriate forum for the discussion of "the image the club wishes to portray", and that it should infact be discussed at say, the friday night chiller, or the agm if one is called.
A forum thread does little but create a bunch of arguments and misunderstandings, a serious discussion takes place in person.

I agree, I shall be voicing my opinion tomorrow and I hope the club voices it's opinons backs and we can discuss and be merry, without too many people putting up their fisticuffs.