Disbelief at what I heard

**Sofa** · 29th May 2008, 21:22

The only thing I'd like to say is that there were only, what, three people discussing/arguing on this topic yesterday. And it was all actually quite funny to see you guys so worked up, when it is all just about personal opinion. Anyway, I think its unfair to bring the whole club into this

However, I guess its important for us to all know what's going on before we all turn up at the chiller and... er....

**ital916** · 29th May 2008, 21:23

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

1) I dont get the paper airplane thing?
2) I'm not saying the helmets are bad, merely that they don't protect your face, and I like my face.
3) This thread is about you trying to force others to reserve their opinions.
4) Of course they could have the same protection where they protect, who here has disputed that?! That's not what we care about, again I like my face.
5) Exactly.
6) I said open-faced helmets are dangerous, and yes, 200mph bikes are dangerous. That was the logic I applied.

Gah everything can be twisted on the forums, we willtalk tomorrow at the chiller. Where eye to eye stuff can be discussed. Have a goodnight all.

**Ragingrob** · 29th May 2008, 21:26

Originally Posted by Drider87

I agree, I shall be voicing my opinion tomorrow and I hope the club voices it's opinons backs and we can discuss and be merry, without too many people putting up their fisticuffs.

I just don't get it. You're opinion so far has been to let people make up their own mind, based on what people tell them and facts etc right? But all this ruckus is based on the fact that someone gave some person an opinion that you didn't like?

What opinion do you need to voice tomorrow? Opinions on open-faced helmets?! Or opinions on what opinions others are allowed to share?!

**ital916** · 29th May 2008, 21:27

Originally Posted by Sofa

The only thing I'd like to say is that there were only, what, three people discussing/arguing on this topic yesterday. And it was all actually quite funny to see you guys so worked up, when it is all just about personal opinion. Anyway, I think its unfair to bring the whole club into this

However, I guess its important for us to all know what's going on before we all turn up at the chiller and... er....

I believe the club never really discusses or argues in great numbers, just the merry few that tend to get worked up over stuff, the rest stand and laugh and poke fun and throw things. I really hope tomorrow at the chiller the club, and by club I mean more than the three or four that usually turn up can sit and have a good debate. A club is a grouping of people where opinions can and will differ, lets talk about it, instead of the usual smack talk that flies around at chillers haha.

**ital916** · 29th May 2008, 21:29

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

I just don't get it. You're opinion so far has been to let people make up their own mind, based on what people tell them and facts etc right? But all this ruckus is based on the fact that someone gave some person an opinion that you didn't like?

What opinion do you need to voice tomorrow? Opinions on open-faced helmets?! Or opinions on what opinions others are allowed to share?!

whoops I'll be continuing the open face discussion and also the lets not bash products line too. Now I'm tired and going to bed, it's been a long day and my posts are becoming distorted with every passing minute goodnight.

**mstriumph** · 29th May 2008, 21:31

Originally Posted by Ixion

Silk scarf. Toasty warm. Much warmer than a full face with the visor closed. And no fogging problems.

got a mate who complains you can't buy those over here anymore ..... got a website link i can pass on to him?

**Ragingrob** · 29th May 2008, 21:33

Originally Posted by Drider87

whoops I'll be continuing the open face discussion and also the lets not bash products line too. Now I'm tired and going to bed, it's been a long day and my posts are becoming distorted with every passing minute goodnight.

As a consumer we have a right to know and I for one love to know which products are good and which are bad, especially when it's regarding something as serious as a helmet! Is the world turning into Ebay, where one can not post negative feedback anymore?! WTF?!

**Squiggles** · 29th May 2008, 21:39

Time to bust out my ACME Chairperson's hammer eh?

Andrew, fetch me the westie spanner.

**Ragingrob** · 29th May 2008, 21:46

Originally Posted by Squiggles

Time to bust out my ACME Chairperson's hammer eh?

Andrew, fetch me the westie spanner.

Where is that guy anyway?

**CookMySock** · 29th May 2008, 22:21

What you are doing is a good thing, but, to be blunt, if you were really interested in getting people to join up, you, and they, would be better served keeping your opinions to yourself, and leaving people to do their own thing. Ladies don't want to listen to some bloke who they don't want to fuck, talk about his favourite topic - unlikely they will return, or join your club either.

Let the chix do this type of job, or keep your gob closed. Sorry, but you need to hear this.

DB

**Ragingrob** · 29th May 2008, 22:34

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

What you are doing is a good thing, but, to be blunt, if you were really interested in getting people to join up, you, and they, would be better served keeping your opinions to yourself, and leaving people to do their own thing. Ladies don't want to listen to some bloke who they don't want to fuck, talk about his favourite topic - unlikely they will return, or join your club either.

Let the chix do this type of job, or keep your gob closed. Sorry, but you need to hear this.

DB

And that's your opinion... That ladies don't wanna listen to guys talk about their favourite topic unless they also wanna fuck them... It's people like you that put the girls off joining our club!

Newcomers come along to our stand because they're interested in finding out info and opinions regarding gear, and people give their opinions, don't see what's so bad about that.

Lastly, if there were "chix" to do the job, we wouldn't be having a sign up stand at womansfest to try and arouse some interest in females who ride, due to a lack of girls in the club.

**GaZBur** · 29th May 2008, 22:50

Its probably not a good idea to give worst case scenarios to someone only considering buying a scooter as you don't want to scare them off, having said that I do like full face helmets! Why, because one day I looked up (actually down) to see what I was about to land on - flying upside down into the Parramatta harbour and got smacked in the face with pointed rock breakwater. Hit just above my right eye and went down my face. I was wearing a full face with a domed down visor as they were back then, the visor was slashed open not my head. Managed to even ride myself to hospital that time although i didn't know i was concussed at the time. Had I been wearing and open face then it maybe would have cost me half my face and definately an eye.

**motorbyclist** · 29th May 2008, 23:41

i'll post an opinion/my side of the story when i have time to read this thread. gist was i disagree with downplaying the danger of open face helmets to new riders, especially when one is a new rider themselves just repeating info they were told in order to sell said helmets - imo "not as much damage as people make out" is significantly worse than damage in only rare and extreme occasions, and i'll explain why i'm not a hypocrite later

in summary, without even reading his first post or any other post in this thread as of yet, a 6 month old rider and new gear salesman who has an ego as large as mine may be a bit angry over my ability to gloat my victory which he refuses to concede

good to see the issues being debated though

**ital916** · 30th May 2008, 06:44

Originally Posted by motorbyclist

i'll post an opinion/my side of the story when i have time to read this thread. gist was i disagree with downplaying the danger of open face helmets to new riders, especially when one is a new rider themselves just repeating info they were told in order to sell said helmets - imo "not as much damage as people make out" is significantly worse than damage in only rare and extreme occasions, and i'll explain why i'm not a hypocrite later

in summary, without even reading his first post or any other post in this thread as of yet, a 6 month old rider and new gear salesman who has an ego as large as mine may be a bit angry over my ability to gloat my victory which he refuses to concede

good to see the issues being debated though

I have been riding six months andrew, that doesn't mean my opinons or arguing ability is less than yours, listen to your elders! Yes I do work at a motorcycle store, but that gives a second view and insights into products, I have become not only more involved in learning more about the motorcycling gear world, but have heard lots of opinons from riders vastly more experienced than you. I am just using critical thinking where I keep an open mind. I didn't downplay the danger but you didn't just overblow it, you made it seem that if you wore an open face you would die. Problem there, we can say to the public, look you might lose your face, it's a danger but the helmets themselves apart from the fact they have no chin or visor area are still good quality and will protect your head *the good quality open face helmets here*, I believe we cannot and should not say don't buy it cos it won't do shit all, that is slandering something you don't know or just have a friend of a friends story about. Like I said motorcycling is about personal choice, what we said to that girl wasn't personal choice, we were blatantly telling her some products were crap and useless when they were not. This relates to the image of the club as well, but i'll specualate on this tonight. Get it, so this thread is on open face helmets, but also more on how we should go about giving our opinion. I gave mine in a nice manner, I didn't come barreling in blurting out crap about products again that you have never even tried on. The point of this thread was not only discussion on open face helmets, but how the club should give it's opinons to the public, not on who's opinion is right. Get it. Now andrew I know your a smart guy, start using some of the engineering logic and calm we have been taught to reason with, not just pulling childish remarks and jokes.

**CookMySock** · 30th May 2008, 07:52

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

Newcomers come along to our stand because they're interested in finding out info and opinions regarding gear, and people give their opinions, don't see what's so bad about that.

Do they ? How do you know this ? You sure don't like my opinion, probably because it differs to yours. Why are they any different ?

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

Lastly, if there were "chix" to do the job, we wouldn't be having a sign up stand at womansfest to try and arouse some interest in females who ride, due to a lack of girls in the club.

Ask yourself why there are no chix ? Sharpen up, guys. You are smarter than this.

DB