Getting off the line?

[Tony.OK]

Ok am trying to find a way to get going without either near stalling or nearly flipping this bloody bike.
Theres no middle ground I can find with this clutch,Honda had the bright idea of using a hydraulic unit for these bikes,and its either "on" or "off".
I've tried holding various revs but with even the slightest release of the clutch it grabs and tries to flip me off,I tried holding the rear brake on and "just" engaging clutch with revs steady.....same result.
That leaves me just idling and letting out clutch then giving it "some".....which has to be bang on or it'll stall on the line.
Dunno if other bikes have the same probs with hyd clutches but am wondering if I need to look at maybe changing clutch springs(harder/softer?) or maybe plates.

And yes it is a Honda,and no I ain't ghey

[vtec]

Hmm, if it's as tempestuous as you suggest, no amount of technique can help. I was going to suggest doing aggressive launches from traffic lights as regularly as you can, just to teach you how to balance the revs, throttle and clutch, as that's what helped me, and I'd often end up just behind Jay Lawrence off the starts. But it sounds like you may just have a bitch of a clutch.

[rwh]

[disclaimer - newish rider and non-racer]

Would a smaller master cylinder give you more control - more movement of your fingers for the same movement of the clutch, so hopefully a better chance to hold it where you want on the biting point?

Richard

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fucking hyd clutches. Stick them up your arse! To me, a cable is so much more 'direct' to use, you can really 'feel' what the clutch plates are doing through the lever.

[Patch]

throw the hydraulic shit in the bin and convert it to cable - it ain't as hard as you think and it'll be a big improvement. Clutches do last a bit longer with heavy duty springs installed and prevent slippage as well.

[skypig]

The Hydraulic slipper clutch on my KTM motard is vicious. Under calm use (around pits, etc) it is light and delightful. Used in anger (race starts) it is as grabby as a... very grabby thing (all or nothing). I think it’s a function of the slipper mech, i.e. it “ramps up” to grip under acceleration.

[Tony.OK]

[disclaimer - newish rider and non-racer]

Would a smaller master cylinder give you more control - more movement of your fingers for the same movement of the clutch, so hopefully a better chance to hold it where you want on the biting point?

Richard

Thats worth looking into,the only trouble would be making sure I'd have enough travel to ensure proper clutch action

throw the hydraulic shit in the bin and convert it to cable - it ain't as hard as you think and it'll be a big improvement. Clutches do last a bit longer with heavy duty springs installed and prevent slippage as well.

Did think about that,not too easy on the 1000rr,the hyd is on the left side pushing a rod all the way through the engine to the right side,would have to modify something to push the rod via a cable,will look into it a bit more.

[Sketchy_Racer]

if it's anything like the VTR SP1 clutch, they are fucken horrible! Good luck finding a cure!

[Ivan]

Yeah hope ya find a cure.

The Hydraulics I saw at tech were gay as well.

Go the mighty Cable like someone said earlier on so much feel of what the clutch is doing which is great

[codgyoleracer]

Have a chat with Rob Jackson at Gp Honda Tauranga next time you see him at the track. he has been through it all on his Blade.
Glen

[slowpoke]

Have a chat with Rob Jackson at Gp Honda Tauranga next time you see him at the track. he has been through it all on his Blade.
Glen

In the meantime have a drool over the pornographica mechanica here:

http://shop.durbahn.de/shop/en/bikes...C57?bikecat=61

Get your missus to lock up the cheque book first though, you have been warned.....

[Tony.OK]

Have a chat with Rob Jackson at Gp Honda Tauranga next time you see him at the track. he has been through it all on his Blade.
Glen

Yep emails already wingin its way through cyberspace

In the meantime have a drool over the pornographica mechanica here:

http://shop.durbahn.de/shop/en/bikes...C57?bikecat=61

Get your missus to lock up the cheque book first though, you have been warned.....

Perfect..........................but farkn hell........now where did she hide HER chequebook

[White trash]

WBP Racing hyd clutch works fine.

Harden the fuck up old man.

[Tony.OK]

WBP Racing hyd clutch works fine.

Harden the fuck up old man.

Wot.......aye.......well I never

If ya weren't on a new baby high I might mention it didn't do ya much good afta 1 lap..........................did I say that out loud?

[scracha]

Ducati dry clutch with hydraulics is a @#$cker but practise, practise and more practise. Years of traffic light GP do come in handy. Take the thing on 1/4 mile sprints.