The Great Global Warming Swindle

[SPman]

Jeez, if they bought in a pollution tax, KB would be hit pretty hard........

[Mikkel]

You've got to admit it's catchy. As villains the Wild Green Elite beat the Running Dogs of Imperialism any day. The name is just so much better.

Fuck yeah, we need a proper name too... especially if it means we can munch on the bones of 6-year olds!

[Quasievil]

Really? :tui:

Did you think all your efforts went to waste ?

[Badjelly]

Did you think all your efforts went to waste ?

In changing your mind? Yes, but I never had my hopes very high in the first place. Have you actually found something I've written convincing and/or interesting?

[Jantar]

guys guys guys, see what you NEED to realise is that Im only on page 48 the book is nearly 300 pages long I haven't even got started yet, so sit back and enjoy the show.

Currently on about the sun and its variation in spinning Axis relating to variations in temperatures.................no points to make yet but I wont be far away.

Now you are into my area of research. I am looking at the effects of the Decadal Pacific Oscilation (PDO) on hydrology. So far there is a pretty good corelation between the two, and between sun activity and the PDO.

I have not found a good corelation between the PDO and global temperatures, although there is a descernible pattern. Unlike many warmers, I am not going to rush into print and make any claims of causality.

[Quasievil]

In changing your mind? Yes, but I never had my hopes very high in the first place. Have you actually found something I've written convincing and/or interesting?

Of course I have, however the basic issue I have is Tax justification and that is something that I remain to have issue with on the Co2 man made climate change, I think that is still a crock of crap.
Fuck Clouds, sun oceans, natural etc all hold good cases on global warming but they aint taxing those, because its impossible so the fabric of the Co2 thing is a lie it seems at least in part.

[Winston001]

Be careful what you wish for, I may just do that.

But you may well be right about the island in question. There are places on Earth where crust is sinking or rising much faster than the rate of global-mean sea level rise, which is currently ~ 2-3 mm/year.

Yep, its one of the traps global warming proponents fall into. Tectonic forces have a lot to do with the disappearance of islands.

Mean sea level is incredibly hard to measure and the greatest accuracy is now from satellite measurements.

[Winston001]

Of course I have, however the basic issue I have is Tax justification and that is something that I remain to have issue with on the Co2 man made climate change, I think that is still a crock of crap.
Fuck Clouds, sun oceans, natural etc all hold good cases on global warming but they aint taxing those, because its impossible so the fabric of the Co2 thing is a lie it seems at least in part.

Fair enough. How do you feel about pollution? What do you think should be done about it - if anything?

[Quasievil]

Fair enough. How do you feel about pollution? What do you think should be done about it - if anything?

What is exactly wrong with what we are doing now, why not keep doing it and going further with it, ie filtration on exhaust towers in heavy industry catalytic converters in vehicles, modification of fuels etc etc etc etc

How is it that a personal and a industry based Co2 carbon footprint tax is the answer when legislation and policy is as effective, the earth pollution has improved vastly in the last few decades, if we can pull China and India and a few others across whats the problem.

Since when in New Zealand has taxing and creating a beauracratic monster ever worked.

Will tax money clean up the environment or will the legalised LOOT take go into the consolidated fund and into the big money end of business driving this Co2 crapola.

I never said the earth has no pollution issues, however this process seems to me to be a scam without backup.

Like I say a million times, if there is money in it follow it to find the truth, guilt tripping and taxing us into the dark ages is not the answer.

[Edbear]

Did you think all your efforts went to waste ?

I used to have this saying about leftovers, "If it's going to go to waste, it may as well go to mine..."

Fair enough. How do you feel about pollution? ...

I'm agin it...

[Jantar]

Fair enough. How do you feel about pollution? What do you think should be done about it - if anything?

I believe most people are against pollution. But that is a totally dfifferent subject to Global Warming.

[Winston001]

I believe most people are against pollution. But that is a totally dfifferent subject to Global Warming.

Different subject, agreed. But the two issues are intertwined. By reducing carbon producing actions, we also reduce pollution. Its not a perfect symmetry but close enough for carbon reduction to be a simple catch-all way of cleaning the planet.

Most polluting industries are also reliant on carbon energy sources. Reduce the carbon, reduce the pollution. Not just CO and CO2 but also heavy metals, complex hydrocarbons, salts,...... it goes on and on.

[Quasievil]

By reducing carbon producing actions, we also reduce pollution.

so how do we reduce 98.3 % of natural Carbon producing actions ? taxing ?

[Jantar]

...Most polluting industries are also reliant on carbon energy sources. Reduce the carbon, reduce the pollution. Not just CO and CO2 but also heavy metals, complex hydrocarbons, salts,...... it goes on and on.

Most non polluting industries are also reliant on carbon energy sources. What you are really suggesting is to regress to the dark ages. Personally I'd rather identify the pollutants and target the industries that are causing them directly. The first ones I'd go for are dairy farms that allow effluent to reach the waterways.

[Pwalo]

Pollution! My brother has just come back from the Phillipines (including Manilla). His first words to me when I picked him up from the airport were along the lines that New Zealand may as well stop worrying about it's pollution.

Apparently the rush hour (well any time really) in Manilla negates any effort we could possibly make in the whole country.

Still waiting to see any proven causal link between emissions and global warming.