Davida helmet opinions?

[motorbyclist]

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can we stop arguing and let dushi enjoy his new helmet?

[breakaway]

I wouldn't recommend it mate, not with your previous history.

[motorbyclist]

oi breakaway! i've seen you riding mt eden road like 5 times in the past 2 weeks and you NEVER wave back or even nod! jeez man! you could've got some free fruit smoothies !

[xwhatsit]

I suppose I'll make a guess at why everybody's getting so wound up about this;

I, along with many others, quite like open face helmets, and would own and wear one. However, they aren't anywhere near as good as a full-face helmet at protecting you when you arse off. Nobody minds people wearing and liking open-face helmets, but they do get upset when you start misrepresenting them and blindy believing (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they are a wise choice in terms of safety.

Another thing that strikes me as odd (especially being a uni student -- what was it, engineering?) is that you've been so sucked in by shiny marketing and bullshit stories from manufacturers. I think that's what Phurrball was talking about; it's one thing to get all misty-eyed and biased about bike brands, fer'instance (I buy right into all the Honda racing history/Soichiro Honda stuff), and to let your emotions sway your decision making in that regard. However to let yourself be swayed by stories of 60s TT winners wearing primitive safety gear is a little bit different. I don't think you should let emotions and `passion' (what a ghey little word) enter into buying essential life-saving stuff like a helmut. A useful analogy might be ripping the seatbelts out of your car because it looks cooler that way (and hey, it worked for Formula 1 for decades, didn't it?).

Anyway, that's just my silly little opinion. Please remember before flaming back that I'm not making a comment on your helmet; I'm quite jealous and would like one myself What I am making a comment on is the decision making process that went into it, and the unusual defensive behaviour that has gone along with it. But whatever; I don't like getting into arguments like this, especially since it's quite likely we'll meet someday and I don't like pissing people off just for shits and giggles.

[ital916]

I suppose I'll make a guess at why everybody's getting so wound up about this;

I, along with many others, quite like open face helmets, and would own and wear one. However, they aren't anywhere near as good as a full-face helmet at protecting you when you arse off. Nobody minds people wearing and liking open-face helmets, but they do get upset when you start misrepresenting them and blindy believing (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they are a wise choice in terms of safety.

Another thing that strikes me as odd (especially being a uni student -- what was it, engineering?) is that you've been so sucked in by shiny marketing and bullshit stories from manufacturers. I think that's what Phurrball was talking about; it's one thing to get all misty-eyed and biased about bike brands, fer'instance (I buy right into all the Honda racing history/Soichiro Honda stuff), and to let your emotions sway your decision making in that regard. However to let yourself be swayed by stories of 60s TT winners wearing primitive safety gear is a little bit different. I don't think you should let emotions and `passion' (what a ghey little word) enter into buying essential life-saving stuff like a helmut. A useful analogy might be ripping the seatbelts out of your car because it looks cooler that way (and hey, it worked for Formula 1 for decades, didn't it?).

Anyway, that's just my silly little opinion. Please remember before flaming back that I'm not making a comment on your helmet; I'm quite jealous and would like one myself What I am making a comment on is the decision making process that went into it, and the unusual defensive behaviour that has gone along with it. But whatever; I don't like getting into arguments like this, especially since it's quite likely we'll meet someday and I don't like pissing people off just for shits and giggles.

Haha I didn't let 60's tt winners cloud my judgement. Yes I'm an engineering student...that means I know a little/am learning more about engineering related topics so I did my research. Marketing is a bit of bullshit but it's not all waffle, I talked with owners of the helmet who gave me pros and cons. That is why I also have a s500 full face for longer tours/motorway etc. Not all students are poor, only ones that don't know how to save properly.

I really wanna see your cb250rs up close, another cafe racer fan..... Whats done is done, I'm over talking about it, I just wanna ride.

[NordieBoy]

im not here to preach, but keep my baby (the smc) out of this thread, what some members say has nothing to do with the smc

What is the SMC?

[NordieBoy]

How old is that study now?

They obviously didn't include open face helmets in the study.

That's 44.5% of crashes where the helmet hit something.
What about all the crashes where the helmet hits nothing at all.

I'm quite comfortable seeing 50cc scooter riders going around in open face helmets knowing they're more protected than on a pushbike.

Open road... No.

Once again I will chuck this image on. According to this study (see attached picture), 44.5% of all crashes would affect the non-protected area of an open-faced helmet.

That means that every crash you are involved in, there is almost half a chance that you face and jaw will be involved, even at 20kph that is gonna hurt a lot!

[Ragingrob]

What is the SMC?

The Auckland Uni "Scooter and Motorcycle Club"

How old is that study now?

They obviously didn't include open face helmets in the study.

That's 44.5% of crashes where the helmet hit something.
What about all the crashes where the helmet hits nothing at all.

I'm quite comfortable seeing 50cc scooter riders going around in open face helmets knowing they're more protected than on a pushbike.

Open road... No.

Not sure about the age of the study.

If they included open face helmets in the study, then wouldn't the only difference be that 44.5% worth of numbers would be drawn on a face as opposed to a helmet? I'm not sure about crashes where the helmet doesn't hit anything AT ALL, I think that most youtube vids I've seen the helmet have some kinda impact.

[ital916]

Haha just a funny random bit of info. If you go to the draggin jeans website you will see the owner of the company get dragged along a runway at 135kph by a drag-car, one of the long ones, not sure of the name (don't know much about drag racing) to test the jeans, guess what he's got on his head.

[Ragingrob]

Haha just a funny random bit of info. If you go to the draggin jeans website you will see the owner of the company get dragged along a runway at 135kph by a drag-car, one of the long ones, not sure of the name (don't know much about drag racing) to test the jeans, guess what he's got on his head.

Well it's not as if he's gonna fall off the ground is it

[Badjelly]

Millions (billions?) of people managed to stay alive for the past 100 year riding motorcycles with half-face helmets (or none at all), so meh.

And some didn't.

[breakaway]

oi breakaway! i've seen you riding mt eden road like 5 times in the past 2 weeks and you NEVER wave back or even nod! jeez man! you could've got some free fruit smoothies !

Shit really? Were you on a moped? Because I stopped waving / nodding to moped riders after I realised only 1 in 50 acknowledge it. If not, I'm sorry must have not seen you!

[motorbyclist]

Not all students are poor, only ones that don't know how to save properly.

ooh i'd watch what you say there

if it wasn't for my living at home i wouldn't be able to afford to ride bikes. even with two jobs you need time go to do them, and during semester there isn't much of that, while you still have to pay rent/food/whatever

thanks to the BS age cut off for student allowances basically rendering it useless for the majority of students, most of us are infact forced to borrow to live. i know i just spent the last semester living off $150 a week, and i have plenty of friends in much worse situations.

the ridiculous thing is, a person is better off on the dole, not contributing a thing to society, than a student who will later be paying much more than what they received through their higher income (which sits them in the higher tax brackets too)

my mum was forced to return to the workforce in anticipation of my going to uni, otherwise my position would be unsustainable and i'd lose my flat to a tenant, and probably have moved out, sold the dirtbike (which would've still been a xr200), never have bought the pocketrocket, parents wouldn't have had the money to buy the vfr and i'd never have money for riding gas due to paying rent etc - which parents feared probably would have seen me doing what my peers were doing; something like a mechanic's apprenticeship, which really would have been a shame. unfortunately my littlest brother loses out on this one in some respects and until he gets his licence transport is constantly an issue, but the extra money has gotten him material things i only ever dreamed of.

if it wasn't for my parents i would be a "poor" student, and i know of many who are literally poor students.

it isn't a matter of saving but being fortunate enough to have some support.

[motorbyclist]

Shit really? Were you on a moped? Because I stopped waving / nodding to moped riders after I realised only 1 in 50 acknowledge it. If not, I'm sorry must have not seen you!

scooters towing trailers with big signs on them! dude, how cold you not notice?!

and then a few times on the vfr too but you won't recognise it in the new paint

[Ragingrob]

Yeah that was a bit of a cheap shot saying that it's each and every student's own fault for being poor.

Maybe the saying should be "Not all students are poor, only ones that don't live in remuera".