Last guy in MotoGP V fastest kiwi

**svr** · 5th June 2008, 15:50

Originally Posted by Deano

Ditto 10ch

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

No fucking show.

Did you guys read the question?

**svr** · 5th June 2008, 15:53

Originally Posted by k14

P.S. Stroud is best NZ rider from last 15 years

Ah there's a topic...

**Coldrider** · 5th June 2008, 15:53

Just look at Kiwi's that race in Australia.
Did you see Aaron Slight at Battle of the Streets in Wangas 3 or 4 years ago.
The guys at the bottom of the heap in MotoGp are not just filling a space.

**wharfy** · 5th June 2008, 16:18

Stolen from MNZ web site -

Hugh Anderson is New Zealand’s “most capped” road race competitor with 25 Grand Prix wins and 4 World Championships.

A New Zealander has never won the world 500cc Road Racing Championship (now the MotoGP championship) although four, Ginger Molloy (1970) Keith Turner (1971) Kim Newcombe (1973) and Graeme Crosby (1982) have finished in the runner-up position.
Aaron Slight is the only rider to win the Suzuka 8-Hour race three years in succession.
Graeme Crosby won the Daytona 200 and the Imola 200 in the same year, an honour he shares with Giacomo Agostini as the only riders ever to achieve this double. Crosby however is the only rider ever to win each of the Daytona 200, Imola 200, the Suzuka 8-Hour and an Isle of Man TT.
Motorcycle sport has brought New Zealand 22 World Championships, more than the number achieved by any other sport.

We aren't to shabby at this stuff - Plus the current MotoGP circus is full of kiwi's in high profile positions - The guy that Rossi hands his bike to at the end of every race is a kiwi.

But the answer to the question is "dunno"

**FzerozeroT** · 5th June 2008, 17:24

Slight managed to finish 3rd overall in WSB (three times!)
Stroud I think got a 5th place or so in one round on a Kawasaki 500GP
Anstey and Harris have both done reasonably well in the IOM TT in the top class

I'm pretty sure oour top guys could run mid-pack or even higher in Moto-GP given the money and support

**scott411** · 5th June 2008, 18:22

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

No fucking show.

exactly, they are not the best in the world for no reason,

**speights_bud** · 5th June 2008, 18:30

Originally Posted by scott411

exactly, they are not the best in the world for no reason,

Remember there's a fair bit of politics involved as to where some of the riders come from and who they ride for, the NZ bike market isn't large by any means and a kiwi winning race after race in the MotoGP on an R1 probably wouldn't boost sales as high as some riders from other countries...

I guess its hard to tell how the riders from NZ would go against the bottom end of the MotoGP, given the huge differences in circuits money and machinery to compare them. I'd pay money to go see some MotoGP guys have a play day at Taupo with some of NZ's best

**gav** · 5th June 2008, 18:48

Originally Posted by jrandom

It's also telling that Schumacher tested a GP bike and lapped within a few seconds of the GP pack times as soon as he went out on it, but when racing a CBR1000RR superbike at club level in Germany recently he was only midfield.

So, yeah... not a lot in it IMHO.

As soon as he went out on a MotoGP bike? Nope anything but ....... he had at least 5 hours on that 800, including extensive one on one tuition with Randy Mamola, including getting plenty of laps being shown around the track. Hardly setting fast times "as soon as he went out".

**slowpoke** · 5th June 2008, 18:55

It's a tough one actually 'cos the maqchines are so different. By and large the WSBK guys haven't quite cracked the top spots on a consistent basis....but Biaggi, Checa, Barros and co haven't set WSBK on fire when they've stepped "back" either.

The MotoGP machines are closer to WSBK than GP500's but going from a purpose built race bike with carbon brakes to an up-specc'd road bike isn't gonna be easy and vice versa.

Having said that a MotoGP pilot "lives" the sport whereas the best of our guys all hold down day jobs and in comparison only races as a hobby.....albeit an extremely serious hobby for some.

MotoGP pilot to romp it in.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 5th June 2008, 19:42

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Nope, I reckon the likes of yourself and a few others here with a bit of mileage on a gp machine will be more than competitive with the back half of the field.

Originally Posted by svr

Did you guys read the question?

Yep...and sorry, it was answers like this I was referring to.

With all due respect to people racing here now at club and national level.

No fucking show.

I base this statement on the fact that I've raced at national level and done quite well against some pretty good racers.

I've also raced in Australia, and as the guys that've raced there will also tell you, that's a big step up from here.

You then get to the world stage (World supersport etc), and it's several steps again.

Eneter the world of GP's...and I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

ANYONE that's been to a GP meeting (unless they're a total dreamer or a blind cunt), will realize that even the slowest guys there are out of our league.

Sad...but for now...fact.

I hope that changes, as there's nothing more I'd like to see than a Kiwi doing the bizz at that level.

Come on you youngins...prove me wrong!!!

**James Deuce** · 5th June 2008, 19:47

I'm 100% with Pete.

**k14** · 5th June 2008, 20:05

Originally Posted by gav

As soon as he went out on a MotoGP bike? Nope anything but ....... he had at least 5 hours on that 800, including extensive one on one tuition with Randy Mamola, including getting plenty of laps being shown around the track. Hardly setting fast times "as soon as he went out".

Yeah and add that to the fact that he has recently been racing a KTM in some german series. I'd be pretty sure that his bike is one of the best out there but his results point to something else not quite being there. Hovering around the top 20 give or take.

**jrandom** · 5th June 2008, 22:34

Originally Posted by gav

As soon as he went out on a MotoGP bike? Nope anything but ....... he had at least 5 hours on that 800, including extensive one on one tuition with Randy Mamola, including getting plenty of laps being shown around the track. Hardly setting fast times "as soon as he went out".

At least five hours!

Sorry, man, that counts as 'as soon as' in my books.

**Clivoris** · 5th June 2008, 22:41

Woohoo

I love this stuff. I haven't really got a clue, but what my puku tells me is that the "slow" motogp guy would be quicker but not by much. I'd like it to be close enough that it was feasible that on a good day.....A bit like the Irish playing the All Blacks this weekend. You can't really rate them as much of a chance at all, but God I'd love to see them have a blinder and find some magic that gets them a win.

**gav** · 5th June 2008, 22:55

Originally Posted by jrandom

At least five hours!

Sorry, man, that counts as 'as soon as' in my books.

Dude, that also wasn't his first time on a MotoGP bike either, he's had previous rides on the 990 etc. His so called times were duly debated at the time as well.

As mentioned before Ant West if you take him as the slowest, got on a WSS 600 for the first time and blitzed the field. You think say Sam Smith could do that? Chris Peris who came out here and raced the nationals has struggled to make the top 20 in that same field.