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    Interesting to note that there were four more pedestrian deaths than motorcyclists in 2004 (37 c.f. 33). Still 37 too many (although some of those trolls from Christchurch appear intent on self-destruction...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by What?
    But it's not that simple, is it? 20 years ago there were no air bags, no ABS systems, tyres and suspension weren't as good etc etc blah blah blah. Not to mention attitudes to drink driving, seatblets (esp. rear seats) being quite a bit different to today's.
    The only constant over the years is stupidity.
    I totally agree with you. As soon as we can deport the % of population with defective common sense genes we'll be heading in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC30_chick
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    THIS IS A UNIVERSAL FACT HAS ANYONE NOT NEARLY BEEN KILLED BY ONE OF THESE MORONES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazylittleshit
    THIS IS A UNIVERSAL FACT HAS ANYONE NOT NEARLY BEEN KILLED BY ONE OF THESE MORONES.
    Hey, go easy on the generalisations, spelling (that's "moron"), and particularly the caps lock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudchucka
    They forgot that they can't legislate against stupidity.

    Happy 2005 Lou.

    By the way in 2003 the toll was 461. This was up from the low of 404 in 2002. The previous years were as follows:

    2001 - 453
    2000 - 462
    1999 - 508
    1998 - 501
    1997 - 539

    2003 had the highest road toll in three years, still a huge improvement from 1997, or for that matter the 1980's when we were killing around 700 every year.

    Who was policing the roads in the 80's? Oh, thats right it was the Ministry of Transport. The organisation who, according to some were soooo much better at road policing than todays police but under whose management the road toll was 200 - 300 more anually than it is now.
    I was just getting around to posting the figures since 2000, thanks Spud.
    It's obvious that since the Police turned feral in 2000, the road toll has not changed significantly.
    The most dramatic fall was in the '90's when the Police were doing real Police work. Then the LTSA got into them about the low Police presence on the roads. The LTSA convinced the Government to push the Police into giving traffic enforcement priority by accentuating the expected revenue streams.
    It's clear that the fall in the road toll over the past 15 years has been for reasons other than the current enforcement policies.
    Just as an aside, a recently released report by Queensland Transport identified speeding as a contributory factor in only 5% of all crashes. These figures are very close to the UK's TRRL report.
    So, unless Q'landers are a different breed to Victorians and Kiwi's, it seems that we are still being lied to. Surprise, surprise!
    It really hasn't been worth the loss of public esteem, has it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Girardin
    So, unless Q'landers are a different breed to Victorians and Kiwi's,
    Trust me, they are!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by What?
    But it's not that simple, is it? 20 years ago there were no air bags, no ABS systems, tyres and suspension weren't as good etc etc blah blah blah. Not to mention attitudes to drink driving, seatblets (esp. rear seats) being quite a bit different to today's.
    The only constant over the years is stupidity.
    Not only is it not that simple the variation over the last 5 years is statistically insignificant. I really think we've plateaued and the only way it will reduce further is if we ban personal transport. Then it will go up because you'll kill hundreds in one light rail accident/mulitple bus pile up.
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    On one radio report recently they said that the road toll was attributed 33% to speed, 33% to alcohol and 33% not wearing seatbelts. Not sure what station and the source, but straight away thought to myself what a load of crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Interesting to note that there were four more pedestrian deaths than motorcyclists in 2004 (37 c.f. 33). Still 37 too many (although some of those trolls from Christchurch appear intent on self-destruction...).
    That's an amazingly low toll in both categories. Still the death's don't have the economic impact of the near deaths. I know; that's a bit cynical.

    That is a useful statistic to quote to the people that tell you that you're a temporary Kiwi if you ride a bike. I'd tell them to stop exercising. It's 1.12 times more dangerous to go for a jog than to ride a bike. Only taking into account road deaths too, not other factors like cardiac health, and stray crossbow bolts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    ...stray crossbow bolts.
    ...and food poisoning. Kills more New Zealanders each year than drown. Good old E coli and salmonella.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Kills more New Zealanders each year than drown.
    Yup, gotta watch out for that drown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer 4 ever
    I am going to stick my neck out here and I have taken the pain killers to stop the pain when you all chop my head off, but what would the toll be without the enforcement we have and the education programs in place? We all bag other drivers but we all make mistakes. I have driven my cage in traffic in the last few days and it is so frustrating. I will only ride the bike by choice. Lets be a bit more patient out there.
    What education programs - defensive driving courses - hah! There is no real, effective, proper driver education in this country! The only course they can think of is to hammer drivers into submission - coz its cheap, relies on numbers on a dial and doesnt need any thought put into it! The latest safety initiatives from Europe dont get a look in here - we slavishly follow Vic roads, who are trying to reinvent the wheel, seem to ignore most of the effective overseas safety data - hell, Mecedes benz has more road safety data than Australia and NZ put together ! The latest passive systems - ABS and vehicle stability systems have the potential for reducing accidents by 35-37%! Total! A hell of a big reduction.And will become mandatory overseas before much longer - ABS is already mandatory in Europe. Our guys are still at the - "if you make cars better and train drivers, they'll get too confident and have more accidents " stage.
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    Anyway - whats wrong with a bit of passive eugenics - too many cars out there anyway! Too many people......oh well, school will be back soon, so can go back to favourite pastime of watching as...foreign drivers crash outside AUT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    four more pedestrian deaths than motorcyclists in 2004...
    It's 1.12 times more dangerous to go for a jog than to ride a bike.
    Jim! I'm ashamed of you. Those figures aren't normalised for frequency. Many, many more people go for walks each day than ride motorcycles.

    Or were you intentionally turning the fallacious statistical weapons of the unwashed masses against their usual wielders? You sly dog...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom
    Jim! I'm ashamed of you. Those figures aren't normalised for frequency. Many, many more people go for walks each day than ride motorcycles.

    Or were you intentionally turning the fallacious statistical weapons of the unwashed masses against their usual wielders? You sly dog...
    Yeah...what he said! I've never seen anyone joggin along the North Western Motorway. Would have thought it was much than 1.12 times the risk of dying ny joggin than riding a motorcycle
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