Givi topbox failure

[Kennif]

Bugger!
Coming down the Rimutakas on Sunday my Givi top box came off the ST1300. The Givi mounting plate which is specifically designed for the ST and holds the standard Givi plate sheared at the bolt slots. The plate has two bolts which hold the standard plate onto which you click the top box.

The top box is totalled. Well gouged and with a hole smashed through the top. Someone handed it in to the Mobil at Featherston but unfortunately my rain suit, bike cable and first aid kit have disappeared. Bugger bugger bugger! (If anyone around has seen these I would be very pleased to get them back!!)

Anyone else had this problem? I have to wonder if this is a design issue with the Givi. The mounting plate has four bolts onto the rear frame, then two bolts to the Givi mounting plate and then the box which slots into that. The four into two seems a bit odd. I can see that the cracks have been there for some time before it finally let go!!

And many thanks to the Triumph rider who caught me up to tell me about it. And to all of those who helped including the cop at the Featherston Police (who just happens to ride a Ducati 916)

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Kennif
Ps sorry no photo. The camera is on the blink. If anyone would like to see some let me know and I'll try and post.

[Nasty]

Bugger kennif .. that is shit to have that happen ... its bad enough to ride the hill without leaving stuff on it

good luck on finding you stuff ...

[James Deuce]

Aha! Thank God it was just a top box falling off.

I managed to dodge the wreckage whilst overtaking and had assumed the worst.

It pays to have the right perspective.

[Swoop]

I would be interested in seeing a picture, if possible please?

I have Givi arms and plate ready to be fitted. My old topbox and plate are "incompatible with the new mounts"... so am forced into upgrading the whole kit.
I am not impressed with the new box-to-plate attachment, and do not like the plastic plate as it appears too flimsy compared to my old, cast aluminium, plate.

[banditrider]

I have Givi arms and plate ready to be fitted. My old topbox and plate are "incompatible with the new mounts"... so am forced into upgrading the whole kit.
I am not impressed with the new box-to-plate attachment, and do not like the plastic plate as it appears too flimsy compared to my old, cast aluminium, plate.

I've just stuck on the kit for the Concours and it has the alloy plate. Could be worth checking to see it you can use the same plate but on your bike-specific mounts? Might get costly mixing & matching parts though.

[Swoop]

Could be worth checking to see it you can use the same plate but on your bike-specific mounts? Might get costly mixing & matching parts though.

I have already looked into an attempt at joining the two different systems. No go.

Easy enough to get rid of the old box + plate though.

[Hitcher]

The kit for my Givi monokey system has a plastic plate. I'll keep a close eye on it for signs of distress.

[Kennif]

I would be interested in seeing a picture, if possible please?

I have Givi arms and plate ready to be fitted. My old topbox and plate are "incompatible with the new mounts"... so am forced into upgrading the whole kit.
I am not impressed with the new box-to-plate attachment, and do not like the plastic plate as it appears too flimsy compared to my old, cast aluminium, plate.

I'll see what I can do - will need to go to town to get the camera looked at. With the ST1300 fitting there is a model specific steel plate which attaches by four bolts onto the place where the grab rail centre cover sits. Then the Givi plate is mounted to that with just two bolts that fit into a slot. It is this bit that sheared on both sides. It looks as though the crack has developed over time because I think there is some rust. Those of you with a similar set up might benefit from checking what is happening with your own set up.

The top box was defnintely not overloaded - all I had in was my rainsuit, a first aid kit and a few bits and pieces.

I will go and talk to Motorad today and see what can be done. And wil try to post some piccies later.
Cheers,
Kennif

[Kennif]

OK - here are some photos of the Givi plate that failed. As you can see it attaches to the bike with four bolts and then to the Givi latching plate with two bolts that fit into a slot on this plate. That is the point where the steel has let go.

Perhaps it is worth checking your own setup to see how secure it is.

Many thanks to Jim2 for letting me know just where the box came off. I went back today for a good hunt around. Found a few bits from (and of!!) the box but the rainsuit and first aid kit that I really wanted were nowhere to be seen.

But hey! It least it wasn't me that fell off. This time!

Kennif

[James Deuce]

But hey! It least it wasn't me that fell off. This time!

Kennif

You're welcome, and I am just as pleased you didn't fall off. This time. Hopefully at no other time, ever.

[Swoop]

That is a steel plate?
I had assumed it was the plastic plate which had failed.

Bugger.

[Kennif]

That is a steel plate?
I had assumed it was the plastic plate which had failed.

Bugger.

No, it's a steel plate which attaches by four bolts to the bike underneath and to an aluminium plate on top. There is a diagram of the mounting system here: http://www.itlcanada.com/internal2/i...es/076e215.pdf

The one that broke is No.1 in this schematic.
Kennif

[Swoop]

That schematic explains things nice and clearly. It looks like a nice neat mounting as well.

Have you contacted the manufacturer regarding this?

[popelli]

looks like metal fatigue, plate is thin and grossly underengineered for the amount of weight most people try and cram into top box's

usually when you bolt things to thin plate you use large washers to distribute the load and the stress - did you use these ?

[Kennif]

looks like metal fatigue, plate is thin and grossly underengineered for the amount of weight most people try and cram into top box's

usually when you bolt things to thin plate you use large washers to distribute the load and the stress - did you use these ?

I have always kept the load down in the top box. And no, I didn't fit new larger washers - the shop fitted the ones that are on it from the supplied kit.